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35 crypto companies got together to make a change dot org petition called "Bitcoin Deserves an Emoji".

F that

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[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Duh, it's stupid. Bitcoin is the snitchcoin. Broadcasts all details of all transactions, everywhere, always, forever.

Monero.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bitcoin Lightning fixes this. Monero built its first layer with this assumption, and now it's impossible to check if there has been an inflation bug like the Value Overflow Incident.

When (not if) there's an inflation bug, the attacker will be able to sell his free XMR indefinitely.

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No. It doesn't change any of that. It's still trackable %100

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lightning payments are onion routed, like Tor traffic.

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Still not close to the same. That's borrowed functions on one chain. Monero is triple encrypted. You crack one and you got no time left before the next chain flips the whole shebang.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Monero is triple encrypted. You crack one and you got no time left before the next chain flips the whole shebang.

If monero is using sane, modern encryption algorithms, "triple encryption" doesn't really get you meaningfully more security.

It already takes an insane amount of time to brute force good encryption algorithms, so if people are cracking your encryption, they're doing it via some vulnerability/flaw/exploit in the algorithm which allows then to crack things much faster than brute forcing. If you use the same encryption algorithm for all three layers, you just have to exploit it three times instead of one, which isn't really adding any difficulty to a competent attacker.

What if you use three different encryption algorithms, you may ask? Well, that's even worse because you've now tripled the attack surface of your encryption scheme.

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's not at all addressing a single thing over what goes on in Monero. You either get it or you don't and you just don't. Go read more, yacky.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you've got some articles handy, feel free to link them. My searches aren't finding anything about Monero's "triple encryption".

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nothing on that site mentions "triple encryption". Can you clarify what you meant by that?

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No. Educate yourself on how Monero works. All I'm saying is that it's the safest. You want to understand complicated shit then go figure it out. I ain't here to teach how shit works when the Moneropedia does it all already.

The short is that there are three factors. Each of which are separately encrypted and handle separate parts of the Monero. You have to crack all three to know about any particular exchange. They're not on top of each other they way you infer.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, could have just clarified that from the beginning.

It's not my fault you used a well-known cryptography term incorrectly.

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Keep trying. Technically i am correct. Just in a totally different sense of such.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Whatever makes you feel better man

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Like downvotes you throw around like you actually someone of any meaning.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not close to the same thing, but definitely not trackable 100%, and comparable levels of privacy. Having less elegant code doesn't change that. If you'd like, we can perform a test in which I make a lightning payment and you track it.

I don't think it's likely that an attacker can crack even your first layer of encryption in the time it takes for a transaction to propagate and settle.

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don't get it and i ain't here to explain what there already exists well made such for understanding.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't even get that sentence!

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And I ain't an English teacher

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Money is evil.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

You have to do some mild gymnastics to buy monero here but yes this is what I use for sensitive transactions too.
It’s weird because theoretically there is some kind of law that makes it harder to buy it but there are services that let you do it anyway so I am guessing it’s a cat and mouse game.

Emoji of a currency used for shady shit is the last thing it needs tho lol, it would be kinda like private tracker putting ad on YouTube or smh

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also your business is none of mine. I have no concerns and you haven't of mine, thank you very much.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Biz is biz

No but if I’d be doing anything other than piracy I wouldn’t be typing it here

I am autistically obsessed with niche underground internet things. though that one isn’t really one of them I guess

[–] Chakravanti@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Right now, sure, it's just know the guy for it. Or swap bitcoin for it on bisq.network

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Emoji of a currency used for shady shit is the last thing it needs tho lol

I agree. 💲💸💵💴💶💷💳💰 should all be removed from Unicode as those currencies are used for shady shit. /s

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago