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An admin of this instance, Nutomic, is a transphobe and has no right to be able to ban trans people from this community. (lemmy.ml)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by marcie@lemmy.ml to c/transgender@lemmy.ml

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I'm calling for https://lemmy.ml/u/Beaver@lemmy.ca, the most prolific user of the transgender comm here on lemmy.ml, to be immediately unbanned and nutomic to be removed as admin. It is good and correct to leak the DMs of transphobes.

@dessalines@lemmy.ml @JoeBidet@lemmy.ml @cypherphunks

edit: you can find more info from kristinas post here and beavers post here

edit 2: proof, also beaver was banned from the whole instance modlong

edit 3: For trans people looking for a safer instance, I suggest Hexbear. They have a very active trans user base and are extremely supportive.

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[+] Mango@lemmy.world -11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

He technically functionally has the right. Just move instances and leave him in the dust.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure, I can do that, but I would prefer every place on fediverse to be trans accepting and not admin'd by transphobes. 🤷‍♀️

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah well you're not in control of that guy's servers. He can do what he wants. Why stay? Staying defeats the point of the fediverse. Why give him the time of day?

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As a non-trans (IE, not having direct personal stakes as others would) ... two salient issues here for me are:

Ensuring consistency between admin actions and instance rules and culture
Creating a culture of and expectations around reasonably holding admins/mods to account for their conduct. Overzealous and personal admin/mod actions are a cancer for group-based social media platforms like this. Simply moving is one possible course of action, but a damaging one. Creating feedback loops between users and mods, IMO, is a better way to go, and so trying for that here is worthwhile.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying it doesn't suck. I'm saying you can't police this guy's server. He does that. You literally physically cannot. Moving away isn't damaging to you. It's damaging to him. These instances live off the community just like Reddit.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Moving away isn’t damaging to you. It’s damaging to him.

Moving can always damage a community. And as I said in my dot points, I think there are real grounds for calling this out as inconsistent with stated rules. The fediverse is about grassroots organisation, not just decentralisation ... just walking away is arguably too passive, especially when there are grounds to discuss what's going on.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay, but your discussion isn't gonna change anything.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hear you and you may very well be right. We can hope I guess and find it important to try.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I agree with that. No sense in walking away without trying to address it first.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's not a right, that's a privilege, and one that is accorded by this community. Hence, this post, and hopefully revoked ASAP, it seems.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No, it's a right called ownership. The shit is his. Just leave him in the dust. Don't give him the power.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, ultimately, yea. He's not the only admin (and the second most senior AFAICT), and creating a relationship between users and admins/mods is a worthwhile activity. Just walking away whenever mods do something excessive (which is a thing, they're human, it's always going to happen) is too passive and destructive.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Walking away is what I do. My attitude is that I'm what's good and if they don't want it, they can't have me.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hear you and that's fair.

Part of my position here is informed by my being a mod of my own community. Before I started it I made sure I was willing to walk away and accept criticism from the members of the community (and posted to this effect too). It's something that is important I think.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah it's definitely worth saying something first. Can't just walk away leaving reasons go silent.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

That's some defeatist bullshit, friend. Do better.