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AI Music Generator Suno Admits It Was Trained on ‘Essentially All Music Files on the Internet’ (www.404media.co)

submitted 3 months ago by hotpot8toe@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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"Suno’s training data includes essentially all music files of reasonable quality that are accessible on the open internet."

"Rather than trying to argue that Suno was not trained on copyrighted songs, the company is instead making a Fair Use argument to say that the law should allow for AI training on copyrighted works without permission or compensation."

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

You're free to learn from any piece of music too. Whether AI is actually learning is still debatable but you have the same rights right now.

I'm still on the edge tbh I feel like it is learning and it is transformative but it's just too powerful for our current copyright framework.

Either way, that'll be such a headache for the transformative work clause of copyright for years to come. Also policing training would be completely unenforcable so any decision here would be rather moot in real world practice either way.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're free to learn from any piece of music too

Did they pay to access those songs, or did they do some piracy? I have to pay to listen to a bunch of copyrighted music.

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also policing training would be completely unenforcable

That's where laws would come in. Obviously it would have civil law, not criminal law, but making sure it would be enforceable would have to be part of such laws. For example, forcing model makers to disclose their training dataset in one way or another.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But you can already train models at home also you can just extend existing models with new training data. Will that be regulated too? How?

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They‘re literally already about to heavily regulate hobby AI to ensure giant corporations that hoard all our information get to make even more mountains of money with it. The idea that anyone gets to use any media for machine learning is already a relict of the past and in fact not remotely comparable to learning things for yourself. Especially not in the legal sense. Did you really naively believe AI will democratize anything for even a second?

[–] jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

We are free to learn, but learning is not free.

Freedom vs cost. One cannot pickup a skill without time, effort and more importantly access to guidance and a vast library of content. Same applies to man or machine. The difference is how corporations have essentially reinvented piracy to facilitate their selfish ends after decades of dictating what's right with DMCA, DRM and what not.