Protests themselves often tend to be less popular than the causes they promote. Politically it can make sense to distance from a protest, but still align with a cause itself that is more popular

It's strange, but ultimately the cause itself is what matters here

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

She's lying to both parties. This is hypocrisy, and its discrediting.

[–] Cunigulus@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unless you only hear the lie intended for you. Trump is a master at this sort of thing. Maybe Harris is a better politician than we think.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok genocide supporter

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Are you responding to the wrong comment?

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is the equivalent of condemning the police officer who killed George Floyd, but also condemning the George Floyd protests.

[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Correct.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

And the message is also equivalent:

Please murder more people, but do it more silently so we don't have to pretend to care.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Do you agree with her condemnation of hamas, and support for netanyahu?

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

She could've easily just ignored that protest, because it doesn't have anything at all to do with her. The only reason this is still getting democratic backing is because of institutional reasons. The rhetoric about, desert rose, shining star of democracy in the middle east, rings hollow when israel has done jack shit as a strategic ally for us for the past 70+ years other than get us wrapped up in multiple conflicts, use us as a weapons manufacturing base to keep the military industrial complex spinning constantly, and train our cops more and more poorly. I don't think your average democratic voter wants to keep hearing about this shit, I think your average voter wants to ignore this, or has bigger fish to fry in their immediate future, and I don't think outside of the republican party, which is swamped by doomsday cult evangelical zionists, there are any real hardline make or break "support israel or bust" guys in the democratic voter base. Maybe your super extremist brainbroken libs, but you're pretty much guaranteed to have their vote anyways, I think. It's that phantomic undecided voter that they always come back to. Real Hotelling's law shit, but they're like, stuck in a fucked up version of the centrism from the 80's, eternally, only changing the window dressing.

This is purely an institutional concern, and the more this comes up, the less time she has to actually show anything substantive to people. She doesn't understand how tenuous and ethereal her meme momentum is. People are satisfied with her now because she's not joe biden, and because she actually has a chance to beat trump, maybe, but after that satisfaction evaporates and the coconut tree and brat memes fall off with their half life of like, probably two weeks or less, she's gonna need something better than just "vote blue no matter who or else fascism will destroy democracy", or else it's just going to fucking beam us with the exact cynicism that's been the case for like the last two elections. She could even just fucking lie, and say as president she'll appoint more people to the supreme court, and reverse the reversal of roe v. wade, and even if she doesn't do that, the issue would probably still be a huge winner for her and help get her elected. But the more time she spends on israel's fuckups the more she's going to tread water, and if you're not moving forwards, you're sliding backwards.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago

I'm committed to posting this MLK quote as often as it is relevant:

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I'm at the point that I find this quote whenever I need it by opening my profile and sorting by controversial.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 months ago

i hope you're right.

i haven't been able to vote democrat since obama's 2nd term and kamala seemed like it was possible again until i saw that distancing yesterday.

i also hope that it's not just lip service; but there's no way to know.