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Bullshit. Crimea was invaded mere days after the change of power in 2014, far before anyone of note was seriously talking about Ukraine joining NATO. Support for separatists elsewhere soon followed. It was about Russia exerting a "sphere of influence" that it felt entitled to. The Russian leadership can't seem to get that countries are joining NATO because of Russian imperialism, past and present.
Russia took over Crimea due to the overthrow of the Pro russian government with a pro west government, a thing they also found as direct provocation. Why did Russia invade Georgia?
They could have waited or tried to make a deal with the new government. They did neither and immediately invaded without making an attempt at an arrangement.
Are you trying to get me to say NATO? Because that conflict far predates NATO involvement.
That is not true, in the 2008 Bucarest summit in April they discussed how they wanted Ukraine and Georgia to join nato, and then in August Russia invaded Georgia to stop this and put in a Russia puppet government. Why would Nato indicate they wanted to have Ukraine join Nato when they knew it was a serious provocation? Before this war no one gave a shit about Ukraine, and most americans probably couldnt point to it on the map, why was it so important to have it join nato if it risked a war?
The August 2008 invasion of Georgia was just the culmination of years of Russian provocations towards Georgia. Georgia's leaders knew Russia was itching for a fight. As for Ukraine, many Ukrainians realized that if they ever adopted a more pro-Western stance then Russia would invade. I've heard one account of Ukrainians fighting in the Georgia-Russia War because "we're next."
And all that had to happen is for NATO to mind its own business and the wars would not have happened. Why was it so important for two countries that we dont actually care at all about to join NATO if it was going to cause wars?
Did you miss the bit where Russia kept harassing Georgia? It was going to invade sooner or later. Russia likes its former imperial conquests to be kept under its thumb.
Yeah because they didnt want them to join nato. Why wouldnt nato just say "we have no interest in having Georgia and Ukraine in nato" to prevent wars?
No, they were harassing them just for being friendly with the West. Exiting the Russian sphere of influence, not joining NATO, was the cardinal sin.
Yes, being friendly with the west and exiting the russian sphere is considered a threat against russia to them. You can no like it, but I am all about avoiding war and dead people. Those countries mean nothing to us and we should have no part in their politics.