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[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If regulation didn't work, corpos wouldn't fight so hard to dismantle them every step of the way. If they didn't work, we wouldn't see things get markedly worse every time they're removed.

And ancap just sounds like all the worst bits of libertarianism taken to their illogical extreme and would produce one of the worst possible societies imaginable so why do any people here not hate ancap?

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Worth highlighting that, at least in my opinion, regulation by a state isn't the only way to rein in corporate society-destroying impulses. If all "corporations" were worker owned and operated by the laborers you'd have lots of people "in charge" who like havingclean water and air in their community.

This is a critique of capitalism first and foremost, not of the "anarchist" part (again, admittedly debatable).

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago

Absolutely agreed on that... Got a fair number of companies I'd like to see taken over by the people working them or the communities they serve

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If regulation didn’t work, corpos wouldn’t fight so hard to dismantle them every step of the way. If they didn’t work, we wouldn’t see things get markedly worse every time they’re removed.

OK, they work, just both ways. Corps work to make them work more for them and less for everyone else. Since they have more power, they slowly succeed.

And ancap just sounds like all the worst bits of libertarianism taken to their illogical extreme and would produce one of the worst possible societies imaginable so why do any people here not hate ancap?

Ancap is one of the words for libertarianism.

and would produce one of the worst possible societies imaginable

I think a society valuing freedom and non-aggression above the rest in not that.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

History is a great teacher. Without a powerful state to curb the influence of the owners of capital like when the US dismantled the national rail in the early 20th century, what is going to prevent the natural concentration of wealth in the hands of an all-powerful lord, since accumulation is the endgame of capitalism?

What you describe can only ever become a nightmarish dystopia that would bring about a new era of feodalism. And nobody except a few sheltered idiots is falling for that shit.

And what you seem to describe in your other comments is actually minarchism and not anarchism, which handwaves the complexity of anarchism away for a flavor of "extreme economic conservatism but I don't want to pay taxes", which is incredibly shallow and selfish, on top of being actively against your personal interest.