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Hey! Rogue One was better than any of the Sequel Trilogy movies, there I said it. It's not great, but at least it was not a clear destruction of an amazing saga, just a tiny side-story. Some people couldn't see it yet with The Force Awakens due to all the nostalgia flooding in... but it was pretty obvious to me they were just ripping-off the originals, and by the last movie everyone understood that it was all just a very, very, veeeery bad idea.
Rogue One is garbage, full of cardboard cutouts, not characters, and stuff that makes zero sense because of the change in writer/directors.
Example: We meet Cassian and he straight up murders an innocent informant because someone wanted to give him a "Han shot first" moment.
Later, when he's sent to assassinate a legitimate military target, OH! He gets all sweaty and-just-can't-pull-the-trigger!
Why? Because the first scene was done by the 2nd guy and the 2nd scene done by the first guy.
Gareth Edwards was incompetent, burning money and resources shooting off script footage "because it felt good". That's why the trailers were full of scenes not in the movie. It wasn't cut content, it was content with no purpose.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/1/6/14195898/rogue-one-star-wars-trailer-jyn-erson
Then they kick him off the film and bring in Tony Gilroy to save the film...
“I’ve never been interested in Star Wars, ever. So I had no reverence for it whatsoever. I was unafraid about that,” said Gilroy. “And they were in such a swamp … they were in so much terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060/
So the guy brought in to save a Star Wars film has outright disdain for Star Wars... How did that work out for Andor?
https://www.ign.com/articles/andor-showrunner-said-his-mandate-was-to-completely-avoid-fan-service
“We didn’t want to do anything that was fan service,” he explained. “We never wanted to have anything… the mandate in the very beginning was that it would be as absolutely non-cynical as it could possibly be, that the show would just be real and honest.”
Yeeeahhh...
https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/andor-viewership-star-wars-bad-branding-1234781916/
"the latest — and greatest — 'Star Wars' TV show isn’t generating the same kind of buzz as the stories that came before it. Viewership, by what metrics we have, has been so-so. Audience demand (as measured by Parrot Analytics) doesn’t compare to the likes of 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' at its peak, nor can it match 'The Mandalorian' right now, nearly two years since a new episode debuted. And for those who question all ratings data in the confounding era of peak TV, take it from Tony Gilroy himself.
'I think I was surprised,' the “Andor” showrunner said in a recent interview with Variety. 'I thought the show […] would have this gigantic, instantaneous audience that would just be everywhere, but that it would take forever for non-"Star Wars" people or critics or my cohort of friends to get involved in the show. The opposite happened. We ended up with all this critical praise, all this deep appreciation and understanding from a really surprising number of sources, and we’re chasing the audience.'"
Gee, you intentionally avoid everything your audience likes and you can't figure out why they don't show up?