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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's called late stage Communism, which we have never achieved as humanity. Late stage Capitalism is currently pushing more and more folks into dangerous housing situations like the bottom right quadrant of this meme. Capitalism and Utopia are oxymorons while Communism and Utopia are synonymous.

[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Communism and your concept of utopia are synonymous. Communism and utopia are not synonymous.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Call me old fashion but no one living on the streets and having their basic needs met sounds pretty utopian to me.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There were still people that lived in the streets in the USSR. Also, the housing the USSR provided wasn't really that.. great... I watch a Russian YouTuber (NFKRZ) who has talked about Soviet architecture in not just Russia, but other former USSR countries and shows that yes it's good they were built, they weren't very well built.

The USSR had many problems, and bureaucracy was a big problem. I never understood why tankies love the USSR so much when the USSR didn't truly get rid of class. Those in the government lived like kings compared to the common man, who yes lived better than they had before but still not that well due to the bloated and mismanagement of the government.

Idk, the fact that they even had a centralized government like that seems like.. the opposite of communism to me.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think what people don’t fully understand is that Marxism is meant to be scientific. That means that there will likely be many imperfect and failed attempts at building a socialist society before one comes along that is stable enough to outlast outside interference from capitalist states.

As such, most people I know who like the USSR are also it’s biggest critiques. Unfortunately, there is so much misinformation about the USSR that most discussions about it online are just about delineating truth from propaganda.

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago

They don't call you old fashioned for that, they call you tankie. It's because they're mad that you don't buy the bullshit they push. Look at all the claims they make about the USSR here while providing no evidence or context for the situations they claim people were living in.

They compare apples to oranges when it's communism they are criticizing and stick their fingers in their ears while screaming when it comes to criticizing crapitalism.