I'm not spouting that at all, try engage with what's actually being said to you. Are you claiming Stoltenberg was lying when he said NATO expansionism was the reason, why do you think he would lie about that? Why was Russia fine with Ukraine doing its thing until the coup happened? At least try to come up with a narrative that make a bit of sense here.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I understand what you claim to believe.

What I don't understand is why you think it would matter even if it was completely true, given it would still be two fascist empires fighting over territory and crushing the people underfoot.

The only "right" side when capitalists fight is that of the defender, because even capitalists have the right to self defense.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not what I claim to believe it's what the head of NATO openly admits, and what western media has been reporting on in great detail. Meanwhile, what you're doing by equating Russia with fascism is a form of holocaust denial. Claiming that Ukraine is simply defender here requires ignoring all the context for the conflict and what the regime in Ukraine has been doing to people of Donbas. Seeing how comfortable you are with ethnic cleansing, seems to me that it's clear who the actual fascist is.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Lol, Holocaust denial.

Russia existing is not fascism. Russia invading other countries, spreading fascist propaganda in others, and being a capitalist nationalist dictatorship is the fascist part.

If they want to stop doing those things they'll stop being fascists. Or at least active ones.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

When you definitely understand what fascism is.

[–] welldraught@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The dragon fella is obviously a troll or a bot. In this whole discussion he failed to provide single source like you asked him to. Note that it should be relatively easy because he has the western propaganda on his side thanks to his point of view. Thanks for good sources on the donbas atrocities btw.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

I find most of these discussions tend to follow the same script. People just regurgitate the same set of talking points over and over like a broken record. I think we see this a lot because it's a very effective tactic back on reddit where they end up piling on on anybody who says anything different.