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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

should really work on that reading comprehension

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

Polling says I probably should.

[–] Enoril@jlai.lu 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well 840 people (taken online) are not really representative of my country position. Multiple real surveys made by professionals & neutral pollers gave us a totally different picture on these questions...

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well 840 people (taken online) are not really representative of my country position.

Wait till you learn how random samples work.

Multiple real surveys made by professionals & neutral pollers gave us a totally different picture on these questions…

[citation needed]

Also, do enlighten us on what basis you claim that this survey wasn't made by professionals & neutral pollers.

[–] Enoril@jlai.lu 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Polling has rules to follow to became valid in France. Their are laws that make sure the poll is fair and manipulations can’t apply, in the way questions are asked (neutral tone, full range of answer possible, etc) and where and to who, the minimal amount to have, the medium to use to receive the vote, etc...

If you do that, you are what i call here a professional neutral poller.

In this case, it’s not the case. How i know? Well, it’s an internet poll! So no way to really check the reality of people behind (nationality, age, etc).

I put the officia text informing us than Internet poll can’t be used as real poll because you don’t have a representative sample of the population and result can be manipulated.


Les enquêtes sur internet

La commission a été saisie du problème des simulations de votes effectuées par certains journaux sur des panels d'internautes.

Ce type d'enquête n'est pas mené auprès d'échantillons représentatifs de la population. Ils ne constituent donc pas des sondages au sens de la loi du 19 juillet 1977.

Ces enquêtes doivent donc être accompagnées de précautions de présentation, appelant l'attention les lecteurs sur la prudence nécessaire à leur interprétation.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

in other words France has its own private definition for what a professional neutral poller is.

[–] Enoril@jlai.lu 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, with ethics, neutral institute not payed by gouvernement and with list of candidates based on population census (each year 1/5 of the population informations is updated. Mine was this year). And with these data, you can have a real balanced poll.

We have centuries of experience (the first census was in 1676... long before the creation of the USA or URSS)

So i would not call that private definition but historical definition...

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

feel free to provide recent polls you think are fair and balanced that contradict this poll

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A sane and rational definition, yes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Feel free to provide polls contradicting this poll using this sane and rational definition of yours then.