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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/91685

cross-posted from: https://jorts.horse/users/fathermcgruder/statuses/112563861339745778

Solar project to destroy thousands of Joshua trees in the Mojave Desert
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/solar-project-destroy-thousands-joshua-100000768.html

It's crazy to me that a destructive photovoltaic solar project like this one is considered reasonable, but a new nuclear power plant within or adjacent to a city is beyond the pale.

@usa

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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Reads like NIMBY propaganda. "Oh no muh construction dust." Bitch you live in a desert....

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 0 points 4 months ago

Yes. Joshua trees and desert tortoises live in a desert. That's the point.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 0 points 4 months ago

There's more to NIMBYism than saying "not in my back yard" in opposition to any development for any reason. A position isn't meaningfully NIMBY unless it is in opposition to an arguably good development for bad reasons. For example, it is NIMBYism to oppose the construction of affordable housing because you don't want to attract poor minorities to your neighborhood. In this case, a PV solar power plant might arguably be a good thing, but the reasons for opposing it, including the destruction of a rare ecosystem and a specific type of dangerous construction pollution, are more than fair.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Put solar panels in parking lots and on buildings, where the humans live, not in fragile ecosystems. Deserts aren't bereft of life, they are filled with some of the most resilient and charismatic flora and fauna known. Joshua trees and the Mojave have it bad enough already.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Honestly, solar panels above parking lots would rock. Shade for people in the parking lots, and power generation. Yet we don't do it...

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What are you on about? Who is we? This is an extraordinarily popular application of solar panels.

I've never seen it. In my area, they're all roof or ground mount, not suspended above parking lots.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I want the term "parking desert" to take hold in place of parking lot. I hate most aspects of automobiles. The amount land we pave over for storage is just tragic and rude.

We should build solar farms over our parking deserts to reduce human footprint

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I largely agree. I think we should have car-free city centers (delivery truck and transit only) with parking garages at the edges near transit hubs. But instead of that, we subsidize driving and encourage a car-centric society.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes! I'm into it. Just imagine the dope ass garden towns we could all be living in.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We are in California. Here parking is starting to add shade with panels on top.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Cool. I'm in Utah and i've never seen parking lot solar panels, it's all either roof mount or on the ground in a big field somewhere.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago

This is what most of the schools around my area installed a couple years ago:

[–] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Kaiser, which is a major hmo here in California, has been putting solar panel parking shade in their lots. The community college in my town has it too. I can't think of any downsides to them other than the installation cost. Everyone likes shade from sun and rain, and free electricity.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

“Construction dust that stirs up the fungus that causes valley fever…”