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Looking at the U.S. political situation, fascism seems to be getting closer every day.
In fact, if you look at a lot of other western nations, fascist ideas are springing up all over.
If feels like the world is even more crazy than it used to be, and the current period of crazy started in 2016 with Brexit, then Trumps win snd presidency, rolling into covid, then Trump got ejected, Russia intencified the war in Ukraine, the Hamas shat the bed and now Israel is going batshit insane, oh and during the two last years, two social media sites have decided to just oblitirate most of their good content generators, X is just fucking over everything that was twitter, and Reddit is slowly imploding since the apicalypse.
I just had a look on Wikipedia, and damn there has been a LOT of shit going down since the start of 2016...
The election of Trump in 2016 was the culmination of many factors from the previous 50 years, all of which lead to a very predictable outcome.
By the time Obama was in office, Republicans and Democrats lived in different realities. Republicans just wanted someone who was willing to stand on stage and spout their version of reality, and Trump is the right combination of insecure and stupid to want to do that. He was an inevitable symptom of a decades long problem.
Don't forget Europe. Here, the far right is also racially motivated. My country's (Portugal) far right party shot up in votes in the last election and has repeatedly villanized roma people. I hear the AfD is also pretty concerning.
Spain is a minority led liberal government because of all the gains the far right has made.
The 'funny' thing is that Trump never had won. He gained fewer votes than Hillary in 2016...
Similarly, Bush imo is an illegitimate president, as he didn't gain more votes than Al Gore.
Via the popular vote, yes. But in the US, the popular vote doesn't decide anything. Should it? That's a different question. The point is they won the election legitimately.
We have work to do, but peddling election denial misinformation isn't it.
You saying this has the same practical significance as pro-Trump people who think Biden "didn't really win" in 2020.
Which is to say zero.
Difference is that my saying is based on a historically vested principle, simple as: one man, one vote. Instead of: your vote doesn't count, only the oligarch's does.
They did win because of how the electoral college works. Both Trump and Bush lost the popular vote and won the election because the system is designed in a stupid way.