And we’re the ones clinging to a failed system? You’ll have to dig a little deeper for your credibility if you want to stick to this imperious schtick of yours.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you can't see that the west is failing then you need to start engaging with reality. China is running circles around you losers.

[+] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com -7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

While the West is certainly struggling I fail to see how China is the preferable alternative from a political perspective. Care to enlighten me as to why it is better for its citizens which must be the goal and purpose of government no?

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A socialist state that has

consistently decreased poverty in the country; lifting 800 million people out of poverty so far,
consistently increased homeownership rates; 90% right now,
and prioritizes worker interests over capitalist interests (the complete shutdown during the pandemic for example unlike many capitalist countries like the US, or the current refusal to bail out real estate developers, letting them go bankrupt)

does indeed have the superior system yes.

The American Dream Is Alive and Well — in China

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you're failing to see how China is preferable then you should spend the time educating yourself on what China has achieved instead of trolling here. Here's one example that you can educate yourself on https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So with that data point you're saying China is the country to be born in 2024? Because while I'm not at all discrediting their incredible pace in improving the life of their citizens from an economic perspective.

But I'm personally far more concerned about questions about freedom of expression and of opportunities and as such would prefer to be born in any Nordic country as an example, or Switzerland as another. Sure you could argue the Nordic model doesn't scale because a population of 10 mil is not the same as more than 1 billion. But that wasn't really a part of the question here. To me economic growth is just one dimension, an important one but not the only one to judge a country against. So once again, from a political perspective, which is what we're talking about here when we're saying that the West is failing, how is China better? I mainly see the mainstream outlets and they show a bleak state of affairs from that perspective, can you counter that?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

No that's not what I'm saying, and the fact that's what you got out of it says volumes. China has consistently been improving lives of the people living in China since the revolution. People have seen their lives improve in pretty much every single way with each and every decade. That's an example of a system that actually works in the interest of the public.

I’m personally far more concerned about questions about freedom of expression and of opportunities and as such would prefer to be born in any Nordic country as an example, or Switzerland as another.

That's because you have your basic needs met and you have no empathy.