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Ah yes the US foreign policy of "not being invaded by Russia"
Dunno, is it really US foreign policy if it's not bipartisan
Russia can't even conquer a quarter of Ukraine. No chance they're going to invade Sweden, a country they don't even share a border with. Is Canada afraid of being invaded by Russia? Is France? Is the UK?
Have you learnt nothing from Hitler and WW2? Appeasement doesn't work.
I agree, the USSR assumed too much good faith on the part of NATO. Millions of casualties from economic devastation later, nationalist wars are still breaking out between former soviet states, and Nazism is on the rise.
Wars "breaking out" like it isn't Russia invading everybody else lmao
It literally doesn't matter who is invading who, it wouldn't have happened without the western backed coup of soviet democracy.
Who says anything about appeasement? That's your words, not mine. Besides, Russia is already being appeased by NATO not letting Ukraine join.
Why don't NATO stop being cowards and admit Ukraine immediately? If they're serious about "defending Europe and democracy".
There are other things to learn in history too, such as some countries, like Russia, simply lacking resources to fight wars this big. As the other commenter said, they can't get past Ukraine.
Hitler comparison is really out of place here. It's more similar to some of the wars in Africa and Latin America.
The only reason they can't get past ukraine at the moment is because of western intervention. If the west hadn't supported ukraine in they way they have lukies map would be a reality already
So?
Have you learned nothing from WW1? Massive military alliances don't prevent wars.
Notice you don't actually address appeasement doesn't work?
But as for ~~military~~ defence alliance (notice how you tried to misportray that?): Points to cold war.
Something tells me you're a Putin apologist.
You should listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. WW1 was interesting.
Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Notice that I pointed out that your solution is something else that doesn't work?
Oh fuck off with the smug smarmy shit nobody's impressed.
Putin has justified half of what he's done by playing the victim and whining about NATO expansion. He wants this, and you want him to have it.
The fuck kind of sentence is that? I'm not even sure what you're trying to to say. You're awfully arrogant for a guy who can't speak the language he's arguing in.
Look man, idk why you insist our only options are appeasement or provocation. Each of those led to a world war. And that's about all I'm going to say, because you're rambling incoherently at this point and it hurts my head to read it.
Lmao and you attack again. And try to suggest that Nato defence alliance (see why it was important that I corrected you the first time?) is provocation lmao. And you attack more. Ok really I'm out this time. Obvious troll is obvious.
The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
Jesus Christ. Go back to Reddit you insufferable dipshit.
You're right; the world has appeased NATO and the USA for far to long.
This is as asinine as saying the Russian invasion of Ukraine isn't a war of aggression because they call it "a special military operation"
Have you learnt nothing from anything in history other than WW2?
Also funny how this "appeasement never works" fanaticism never applies to NATO and it's members themselves, despite the fact that they have been BY FAR the most aggressive and belligerent powers on Earth in the past decades.
Yeah, funny how Russia, China and friends haven't sanctioned the US and other countries. They have the full right to do that instead of continuing to appease them.
Funny how Sweden hasn't either.
Can you explain why Russia and China haven't sanctioned the US if they are so opposed to what the US is doing?
Russia and China aren’t doing sanctions like the US is because those sanctions are illegal.
Ah yes, Russia and China, so well known for following international law to the letter.
More so than NATO.
Maybe they should stop being such goody-two-shoes then if they want to have an influence in the world.
"China and Russia are bad because they don't follow international law!'
"Yes they do"
".... Well they shouldn't!"
Also lol at trying to claim China doesn't have influence on the world.
What I'm saying is, if China and Russia truly cared about what the US is doing, they could choose to sanction the US and the West just like the West is doing to Russia right now. Like you say, China throwing their weight in would certainly have an influence.
My mistake, I assumed your interjection was related to the topic being discussed, and not just a completely unrelated butt in.
They follow it a helluva lot more than the US does, which fabricated a whole “rules-based international order,” which is nothing but We make up the rules, and order everyone around. Mafia rule.
Can you explain why Sweden hasn't gone to war with (we weren't talking about sanctions) the USA if they're so opposed to appeasement?
Because the US geopolitical goals and actions, while often reprehensible, generally speaking aren't against Swedish interests, whereas Russia is a much more direct threat to Sweden.
Why does China keep appeasing the US by not sending weapons to support Russia?
So appeasement does sometimes work then.
It's not appeasement if the party being "appeased" is not opposed to you to begin with.
That's not what they say about WW2
Now you lost me, surely Hitler was being appeased by the Allies allowing him to do things they would've preferred him not to do?
Sweden wouldn't prefer the USA not repeatedly destroy other countries and commit genocide?
Sure they would, but not as much as Russia doing the same but much closer to Sweden.
So Sweden is appeaseing the USA
Sure then, if you want to call it that. But did it work? Were countries not invaded by the US thanks to Swedish appeasement?
Lemmygrad has an emoji for this 😆
They have some great emoji.
Russia's inability to conquer any of its neighbors is irrelevant. The possibility of them even attempting is unacceptable if you share a border with Russia. Sure, maybe Putin can't hope to depose your government, but the destruction and deaths before his failure are still a horrifying reality that'll take years, possibly decades, to recover from.
As for why Sweden felt the need to join, despite not having a single meter of border with Russia, it's because Finland felt the need to join. The two countries are tightly bound and do not want to end up on the opposite sides of a war. Now they're much less likely to.
Russia can't conquer even a quarter of Ukraine, and they still invaded Ukraine. Sweden and Finland know that Russia can't conquer them, and that knowledge has made them stay neutral in the past. But Russia has just shown with Ukraine that they might try anyway just because, and it's a huge pain in the ass for Ukraine and for everybody else in Europe too. So it's only natural that Sweden and Finland would like to avoid even being tried to be conquered by Russia.
And like we can see, the Russian invasion of Ukraine also impacts France, the UK, and Canada. It's not that these countries have decided to brainlessly follow the US. They want to support other countries who are at more risk of being invaded by Russia because countries being invaded by Russia is a huge pain in the ass for everybody in the region, not just the country being invaded. So their foreign policy goals simply happen to line up with the US goals.
Lol what a braindead take, I'm sure when this is all over Ukraine will be like "oh, well looks like we didn't need to be part of NATO after all, we did just fine on our own"