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I played a shit ton of WoW when I was younger. It stopped being fun a long time ago. Mostly it was only fun with friends.
D3 also sucks. Played a lot of that at launch, and also when the expansion came out (can’t remember the name). D2 was always way better, and now with D2R, I don’t think I’ll ever need to buy another game in my life.
D3 got better with age. The seasons, especially the later ones, were a blast.
Had to scroll way too far to find WoW. I'm still actively raiding wotlk classic with my small guild, but blizzard seems to have a policy of,
For everything. Server population management. Bots. Moderation. Customer support. It's incredible how incompetent they are. Any patch now they'll add RDF and I'll unsub one last time and be done for ever. Cannot NOT recommend it enough.
Yeah. I feel like blizzard has always been that way. How long have you been playing WoW? I feel like it was a product of it’s time. I quit before WoW classic got started, but I started playing the original about 2 months after launch. It was incredibly fun back then, but I wasted way too much of my life on it.
It felt like vanilla wow was inherently more interesting than retail. Classic felt dated, but it also felt more interesting than modern MMOs, because the game wasn't afraid of player interaction.
I think today companies have found that the most profitable way to run an MMO is to prevent any player from being inconvenienced, especially by another player. So over time they got rid of mage portals, and quests that required you to have a player craft something, and gave everyone the ability to self heal and fight multiple mobs at once. And of course, RDF. Slowly WoW became a single player game, and any dependency on another player was seen as an outlier experience that provoked a toxic player response.
I still wish there was a non-MMO game that replicated the wow raiding experience, but afaik nothing like it exists. Which is part of why I still play wrath classic.
But classic wow as an MMO is functionally dead.
It felt like vanilla wow was inherently more interesting than retail. Classic felt dated, but it also felt more interesting than modern MMOs, because the game wasn't afraid of player interaction.
I think today companies have found that the most profitable way to run an MMO is to prevent any player from being inconvenienced, especially by another player. So over time they got rid of mage portals, and quests that required you to have a player craft something, and gave everyone the ability to self heal and fight multiple mobs at once. And of course, RDF. Slowly WoW became a single player game, and any dependency on another player was seen as an outlier experience that provoked a toxic player response.
I still wish there was a non-MMO game that replicated the wow raiding experience, but afaik nothing like it exists. Which is part of why I still play wrath classic.
But classic wow as an MMO is functionally dead.
Hard agree with you that D2 was better than D3 in every way. I also bought D2r and played it a bit at launch.
Have you played any D4 yet? As someone who never loved D3 I will say that D4 has been refreshing. I have some low level gripes with it, but overall I am really enjoying it.
I haven’t played D4 yet, no. I rarely play games anymore. Not like I used to. And I’m too nostalgic for D2.
Makes sense, harder to do as you get older. If you catch it on a sale though and you’re curious I think it scratches the itch unlike D3.