Ukraine needs to be helped but I hate the CIA habit of "secretly helping", it got us everything from Saddam Hussein to Operation Condor fo the assassination of Patrice Lumumba.

Won't be surprised if in 20 years time we learn that it was more "secret helping" that got Ukraine invaded in the first place.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the CIA cooked up an invitation to invade Ukraine as a way of expanding NATO membership. They are completely capable of throwing away millions of civilian lives if it meets their end goals. It would hardly be the first time.

[–] livus@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

It's crazy what a law unto themselves they are. Even with little things 5-Eyes seem to really like creating chaos.

I was reading about Shamima Begum the other day (UK girl who joined IS to be "married" to a stranger at age 15 and had her citizenship taken away) and it turns out the main guy who trafficked the bunch of 15 year olds to Syria in the first place was a 5-Eyes Canadian asset.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

You don’t have to wait.

Reuters, Feb. ’14: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
Consortium News, Jul. ’15: The Mess that Nuland Made
Consortium News, Apr. ’19: The Buried Maidan Massacre and Its Misrepresentation by the West
Jacobin, Feb. ’22: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
WSWS, Dec. ’22: Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up
Geopolitical Economy Report, Feb. ’23: Ukraine’s Zelensky admits he sabotaged Minsk peace deal with Russia, West blocked negotiations
Consortium News, Oct. ’23: The Maidan Massacre, Censorship & Ukraine
The Grayzone, Dec. ’23: Ukrainian trial demonstrates 2014 Maidan massacre was false flag

[+] andyburke@fedia.io -7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Putin got Ukraine invaded, I don't care what the US or anyone else did.

Putin is the one who invaded another country.

[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

@andyburke I totally agree with you tho. Putin and his enablers in Russia chose to invade Ukraine. It is 100% on him and them.

@ikidd and I are just speculating on some of the factors in his decision to do that.

Life is a complex tapestry. It's not just one or two people making decisions in a complete void.

I mean if you're old like me you can remember back when Gorbachev was trying to transition to democracy and the CIA jumped in to kingmake Yeltsin and his unregulated market, ushering in the rise of unchecked oligarchy that put Putin in power in the first place.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why Putin is popular: he kicked the Global North neocolonialists out of the country.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Which by all indications was something he didn’t actually want to do in the first place. It’s just the west wasn’t ready to give up exploiting the people of the former USSR. If Putin allowed that to continue he would have likely lost his power just as Yeltsin had.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io -4 points 9 months ago

Jesus, the idea that the CIA being somewhere, even doing the bad shit they always do, would somehow justify invading a country?

As a US citizen, we need fewer things that justify invading counties, not more, for fuck's sake.