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[–] FatLegTed@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But NATO already is on their doorstep. Norway, Estonia, Poland etc. Even USA is only a few mils away across the Bering Strait.

This is not about Ukraine joining NATO, that's a convenience.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's just such galaxy brain logic there. We've already built up a threat on your doorstep, so you shouldn't worry about us expanding that threat further. 🤡

Furthermore, Stoltenberg has now publicly admitted that this is in fact about Ukraine joining NATO

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

You gotta update your script now.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago

No one ever invaded Russia through Estonia. The last 2 massive invasions that killed millions of Russians were through the border with Ukraine - Napoleon and The Third Reich. You can't just pretend that every inch of border is equivalent. If you're going to pretend you know history, at least don't expose your clear confirmation bias.