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Voting third party is splitting the vote. Give me ranked choice voting and I'll never make a Neo-lib one of my top choices. But, until then, it's functionally a binary choice. And right-wingers toe the line, and their line is literal fascism. Easy choice. Shitty, but easy.
Then why he fuck would they ever give you ranked choice?
That's entirely beside the point. You think the fascists are more likely to give you ranked choice than the neo-libs? This line of thinking is nonsensical past superficial idealism. What's your alternative, the greater evil? You think that's going to magically make the ever-so-sightly-further-left corporate party turn progressive?
How'd that work after 2016? If the wake-up-call strategy was going to work, that would've been the time. And oh look, we got a geriatric neo-liberal. Fun.
I'm not going to wager a potential fascist dictatorship against the pipe dream that choosing not to vote is a cheat code that what, unlocks the secret actual Leftist candidate? What's the praxis here? This is like sovcit levels of batshit copium fantasy.
Edit: Downvotes, but no practical alternatives. Idealistic circle jerking.
The least you can do is not vote for the status quo, but you won't even do that.
Do you really think that eh neo-libs are more likely than the fascists? Talk about "nonsensical past superficial idealism."
Better than your idea. Also, I don't care about 'decorum' and 'civility', so there's not much difference between the two parties in terms of evil; the harm hasn't exactly been reduced under Biden.
You really think submissively voting for the blue fascist every election is going to stave off dictatorship?
What's yours?
Anybody who votes for genocide Joe deserves Trump anyway.
Significantly? Hah, no. Mathematically? Yes, absolutely. Extremely unlikely vs. "Oh, you wanted to keep voting? Lol"
Which is? I'm waiting.
Use every tool I have in the way it can be used. Voting for the lesser of two evils does not preclude literally any other action you could want to do.
You think Trump would do less Palestinian genocide? He was pretty open about being very pro-Israel and very anti-Palestine. Genocide Trump would be substantially worse for Gaza, and also Ukraine too. That's what "lesser of two evils" means: yes, Biden is awful, but the alternative is worse.
Until you can show me an actionable alternative, I assume you support increased genocide of Palestinians and genocide of Ukrainians. Because it's a binary choice, and refusal to choose against any option is tacit approval of every option.
Well I got bad news for you, the odds are zero either way.
??? You even need me to tell you your own idea?
What are you doing other than voting?
Both evils are equivalent (and really they're the same evil.)
He certainly wouldn't do more. Also listen to yourself; you're literally justifying supporting genocide.
Don't believe you.
Don't believe you
Yes, I'm well aware that people who say it mean that "the evil things I'm imagining Trump will do are worse than the actual things Biden is doing."
Oh, we're doing this now? "I assume you support eating babies and killing kittens, thus making me the more virtuous!"
Actually it's not, and I know much it makes you fascists seethe that you can't force me to vote for you.
If you vote for Genocide Joe Biden, you deserve every horror you imagine Trump will unleash on you.
Voting is one more thing than you.
Okay? So you're uniformed or just illiterate? Your beliefs mean nothing to me, the evidence already suggests you're a Russian State propagandist, or you've fallen for one.
It's very simple math. If you can't grasp it, maybe you should change your username to just "box".
So long as you continue to antagonize every leftist who disagrees with you, all you'll ever have is impotent idealism. What exactly is your plan of action? Where is your grassroots, your revolution, if every mathematically and politically literate leftist is a fascist to you?
I'm substantially left of center. Who do you think the proletariat are? How do you expect to mobilize them? How do you get three hundred million people to march in unison, when you call them all genocidal fascists? If they are all fascists, how do you ever hope to win?
Except you're compromised by propaganda, specifically designed to weaken the left (and the US) in order to empower Russian oligarchs. I don't expect you to propose any actual action. I expect you to continue to insist that letting Putin's puppet win will somehow rid the world of billionaire oligarchs.
So much for mr "I'm using every tool".
See? You're every bit as much a paranoid fascist as any MAGA chud; why should I be any more afraid of them than you?
Fucking. Seethe. Fascist.
Project harder, fascist.
What is yours? Round up all the spooky Russians into camps?
You engage in fascism, you are a fascist. Leftism is wholly incompatible with saying things like "evidence already suggests you’re a Russian State propagandist".
That's bleak.
How do you? Witch hunts against "Russian State Propagandists"? Telling them 'Your beliefs mean nothing to me'? Maintaining that anyone who disagrees with you is actually a treasonous foreigner?
I'm calling you a genocidal fascist, you arrogant shithead.
Great "leftism" there bro, totally not raving fascist rhetoric.
Why not just blame all your problems on 'Woke' at this point?
You still haven't provided any actions. Deflect deflect deflect, always complain that everyone else isn't doing enough. Call them liberals, fascists, declare they're not pure enough. Other them to draw attention away from yourself. Emotional, blaming, divisive language, anything to distract from your own lack of actionable content.
No more deflection, no more distractions. You tell me, specifically, what your alternative action is. Tell me how it's, materially, impossible to do while also voting against Project 2025.
Or, prove me right by continuing to deflect. Go silent, or say I'm not worth informing, or you don't have to explain yourself to some [insert political slur here]. Show the readers actual praxis, or show them that all you have is deflection. Your choice.
Neither have you.
You're the one demanding everyone has to vote for your genocidal grandpa.
Would you prefer I call them all "Russian State Agents" instead?
Worlds largest projector.
Right back at you, fascist.
Are you 14 years old?
Ahhh, I'm seeing the problem here, you think 'fascist' is just a meaningless insult, and not a word with a meaning.
Right back at you, fascist.
You've made your choice then.
No actual plans, just deflection and calling people who disagree with you "fascists".
Like you have anything more than that. Hell, even if I was going to vote for the lesser evil, what makes you think that would be Biden?
No, just fascists like you.
You espouse fascist beliefs, you get called a fascist. Simple as that.
Ah yes, the highest form of praxis: posting memes.
It's one step higher than literally nothing, so I'm doing better than you so far.
doubt
Says the empty_box providing literally nothing but deflection.
It's a simple question: what's your alternative action, and how is it incompatible with voting against Project 2025?
Oh SHIT! I just got PWNED! How do you come up with this stuff!
Is it? You haven't been able to answer it.
Nice deflection.
Also, you can tell that the word 'tankie' has lost all meaning, because it used to be an insult for leftists who were too gung ho in their forms of effective political action.
Jesus Christ dude, you can't even name one thing. Name literally ONE THING. You're trying to Uno reverse your own deflection you transparent shill. Name one effective political action you take that's incompatible with voting against Project 2025.
Nor can you.
Least fascist Biden supporter
I asked first.
You know you have to be over 18 to vote in the first place, right?
Another deflection.
Least obvious Capitalist troll. You're making us actual leftists look bad. If you are a troll, eat shit. If you are a leftist, do better, cuz you're an embarrassment. Either way, I'm out. Grow up, learn something, anything. Cuz bitching and name calling ain't it kid.
Hmm, I can't imagine why you're having trouble convincing people to vote for Biden...
No, their platforms are vastly different. You could argue that Jill Stein and Cornel West are splitting each other's votes, because they are very similar, but they are both worlds apart from Genocide Joe and Orange Hitler.
The mathematics of First Past the Post elections drastically disincentivizes third parties, to the point of irrelevance. The winner will be one of the top two choices, so the only rational strategy (primarily in swing states, because of the fuckery that is the Electoral College) is voting against the worse of those two option.
Which is to say: when looking at third party options, would those voters be more likely to vote for the worst of the two main options, or the second worst of the two main options? Those are the only two candidates from which splitting votes is pragmatically relevant.
The evidence suggests to me that Orange Hitler is worse than Genocide Joe, since Orange Hitler would likely enable at least the same amount, if not more, Palestinian genocide; while also actively engaging in Ukrainian genocide; while also enabling Project 2025, which fundamentally threatens the thin veneer of democracy the US does have. I am not an accelerationist, I do not think that the probability of revolution it offers is high enough to counteract the probability of descending into fascism.
If you live in a deep red/blue state, then sure, vote third party so they get more visibility and funding, and encourage others in your state to do the same. But otherwise, vote for the second worst of the two main options, and don't encourage those in swing states to vote third party.