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[–] tourist@lemmy.world 356 points 10 months ago (4 children)

All other countries without sideloading mandates

We're as shitty as we're legally allowed to be
- Apple

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 115 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Technology isn't to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it's Arch underneath.

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Welcome to the good side. ;)

I've been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn't seem to be a huge skill)

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I'm a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From the perspective of the people who make the crap, corporations are the users.

[–] GhostFence@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Corporations are people!

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

To be fair that's not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To be even fairer, corporations have no inherent "right" to exist, and in fact should not be allowed to exist unless they're acting ethically and serving society.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ok, but Android wouldn't have to allow sideloading by that logic, yet...

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Android is not a company though, it's FOSS. Google could ban it on their branch I suppose.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago

True. I have a Samsung, which does do some shitty ass things like remove the option to turn off data access to apps, but even they allow "sideloading" (I don't even like that term -- it's just installing software in the normal way to me)

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

Most Android components can technically be FOSS, but the it's monolythic nature makes it very hard to get from those FOSS benefits. Best example is TV using Android, phone using Android, but cannot change the interface without hacking half-baked thing like custom ROM.

[–] SebKra@feddit.de 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey... would you rather be hanged or beheaded?

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not all Android apps use Play Services, do they?

[–] gigachad@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So? Companies can and have removed features like that at the behest of some dickwad in power. Don't take anything for granted. We need to heavily regulate them. Or hell take games. Capcom is currently adding DRM to 12+year old games. Garbage like that should be forbidden by law instead of relying on shitstorms to get companies to comply.

I'm not taking it for granted. It was just an observation of fact.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it's just called not being a fucking prick.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not always. Consumers given choice they should go for the product that is best. That way companies have to make the best product. That's competition working.

Like when ps3 offered free online but xbox didn't. That killed the xbox market as everyone could choose a similar product that was cheaper.

Or when apple forced everyone to use their products people went to the Samsung because you could do what you want. That killed apple.

Or when some companies offered subscription model like Microsoft Office, everyone went to alternatives and that killed Microsoft Office.

Honestly I blame people. We had all the information and just laughed in the face of reason. We are choosing to spend more for a shittier product.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I honestly don't get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don't get the reasoning.

People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can't play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can't use something and instead have to use apples device which isn't as good and more expensive but it's white! Like I can't get a fucking white one.

The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn't open the filesystem on my PC

[–] thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can't play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple

Idk why people told you that but it's never been true. iPods didn't give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I dunno maybe my friends were too stupid to manage it.

But I got told you couldn't get it on there and you couldn't get it off their.

I didn't see the point. Didn't seem like owning it, seemed like apple owned it.