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Vegan Debate Crib Sheet (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 1 year ago by ambiguous_yelp@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/vegan@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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If youre a vegan hearing the same arguments over and over you can just copy paste these ;) if youre a carnist using these pls do us all a favour and just read the whole list get them out of your system https://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php

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[–] ambiguous_yelp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bees dont labour to produce excess for themselves so that you can enjoy it. You dont have to understand the concept of ownership for it to be unethical to steal from someone. Hence why the phrase "taking candy from a baby" is a cliche cartoon villain phrase. Does a baby understood the relationship of someone to an object that is exclusive right to retention and destruction? probably not but do they understand they like their stuff that they like and theyre sad when its taken away? And you dont get off if the bees in theory dont notice what is taken because then you are still forcing them to essentially work overtime for no benefit to themselves, you are breeding a slave species that exists to spend 90% of their lives producing excess for someone else non consensually

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like we're arguing 2 different things.

My original point is not "It's 100% ethical to keep bees and take their honey" (although I personally believe that keeping bees is a lot more ethical than farming mammals and birds)

My argument is that the evidence the article presents as to why beekeeping is bad is largely untrue and is presented in a way that will mislead people.