Take away kids ability to communicate with family and law enforcement when they get shot up.
Genius idea.
this post was submitted on 30 May 2024
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I hate school shootings as much as you, but I don’t think cell phones do much help once the shooter is in the building.
Edit: Uvalde would be a good example where the shooter was identified and authorities were called while the shooter was still outside the building.
If you wanna get all brutal and how it is in America about it, I am thinking more about giving the kids a chance to say good bye than actually getting help.
We have established that noone who could actually do something about it cares about all of the kids getting murdered in America schools.
Edit: And remember. While Uvalde cops sat outside and wet their pampers, a mother overpowered them to get children evacuated. A mother who was... notified by their child with a cell phone... and later faced criminal charges for it.
I understand and empathize with the point you are trying to make. School shootings are the worst possible tragedies.
That said, I still do not think we should shape school cell phone policies around the off chance of a school shooting (please do not chastise my use of ‘off chance’. The fact that it happens at all is too much, but I think the chance that it happens to any one school is still pretty low).
The off chance?
The mother fucking off chance?
You know what an off chance was? Columbine.
200+ years of American history, one bona fide school shooting.
There are so many school shootings happening in America that news outlets just stopped reporting them.
You, sir, can fuck right the hell off.
Request to be exempt from being chastised denied.
Maybe you should learn how to hold a normal discussion without attacking the other party. Cursing and telling the other party to fuck off just because they disagree with you will not convinced anyone of anything and will only make you look bad. It's not like the person you're responding to is advocating for school shootings or anything else immoral.
Thanks friend.
Eyo! Report this shit next time! Rule 3, dude/person was a douchebag.
While on the one hand I can agree there's a place and time to be present and participate appropriately, on the other hand it's so goddamned tiring to see politics that in situations of nuance zoom in on 'control them' as a thing everyone can rally to as if the solution of phone control was really going to be simple and accomplish its objectives.
I mean, criminalizing drugs seemed on its face to be a simple-enough thing to do, and a good idea- who could object to that, right? Who favors addiction, right? What could go wrong? Fundamentally, the ask for enough power to ban anything isn't a trivial ask, and it shouldn't be undertaken lightly.
We did this a while ago in the Netherlands and so far the research results on the effects look promising.
Yes even the kids' reactions generally seemed positive, some mentioned there were more conversations and joking going on in between classes, and cyber bullying was less prevalent (although 'old school' bullying seemed to make a comeback somewhat)
They did something similar in Indiana. It's not a 'the cops are coming' thing. It's more about having a law that the school can reference when whiny ass parents get mad when a teacher takes a students phone away because it's disrupting class.
Can we just ban smartphones in general? Please?
Go back to payphones and pagers and if you need to carry information in your pocket, PDAs where you have useful non-connected apps and download information ahead of time at home and store on the device instead of using a slow, unreliable, garbage tracking device to find what you need.
I'm with you. I have similar relationship with connected devices as I do with cigarettes.
I don't like being threatened by the state but banning something has a bonus effect of making it look dirty.
She is a horrible person but for this one thing I agree.
Kids need to be able to leave their last words when a school shooter comes. If the government is going to ban phones they should at least allow old school audio recorders. While we are at it might be a good policy to require school IDs to be in shoes at all times so children dead bodies can be identified faster.
They could also just take a regular cellphone.
As far as I can see, this is banning smartphones, not cellphones. Can still do calls and text.
What kid these days has a dumb phone? This effectively bans phones and put the burden of corralling student attention in the hands of the parents.
Parents aren’t about to go out replacing their kids phones with dumb phones. Kids aren’t about to stop carrying their phones (I would tell my kids to keep it on them regardless of what the school says)
This is just a thin excuse for boards to put the blame on teachers and parents for the districts poor performance when really what we need is a lower teacher to student ratio, higher wage for teachers, and schools that are properly funded so these kids can be engaged with instead of policed.
Here we are on lemmy knowing the damage that big tech has done and continues to do. Yet some of us think keeping smartphones out of school children's hands during school hours is controlling their lives?
We truly don't value teachers, we don't understand their contexts or education in general. School, especially public school is where we go to learn just not stuff from a board or a book. It's where we learn to live in a community. Hopefully a place where we can learn empathy by meeting other humans our age from similar and different walks of life. Where grow and develop, gain and also contribute. Where we have to learn to compromise because we share time and space with many human beings as opposed to say home schooling which is primarily driven by conservative religious folks.
While police and law enforcement keep getting more and more funding and support. Public education keeps getting defunded. Not enough teachers, books or supplies. Do more with less has been the norm for decades. Mirroring capitalism and paving the way for charter school factories where teachers and administrators are burned out even at higher rates.
Control over education is control over your future population. The less fully formed, the less humanist, the less critical thinking, the more centered on simply future workers, the more dystopian the future becomes.