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[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm reminded of one of my old memes when I see people in power pull shit like this.

People can't revolt if you force them to have to fight for their right to even exist first.

[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Or maybe fascists are just transphobic bigots who want to torture and kill trans people because, well, they're fascists, it's what they do?

You need to understand the far right doesn't give a damn about economic issues. Not one crap. (Because most far-right supporters are middle-class or higher, for the record!) They want power for one reason, and one reason only: to lord it over the minorities they consider their inferiors, if not outright killing them.

This isn't a "distraction", it's the fucking goal.

[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why not both? Far right movements, at least as far back as the transition of the Tories into the conservative party in the early 1800s, have been lead by the interests of the ultra rich. Far right "philosophy" has always been to their service, whether its regressive "economics" of Malthus or the complete fiction of scientific racism. Almost definitionally, there isn't a far right movement without a ruling class that it supports and is supported by; that's what they are trying to "conserve".

Part of this is having a permanent underclass. Or more than one. Just as the "middle class" is under the ruling class, the under class must be beneath them. This is part of the conservative mindset, which again is created and nurtured by the ruling class for this purpose. The difference between garden variety conservatives and fascists, in this regard, is simply that fascists want the elimination of the permanent underclass.

[–] Turkey_Titty_city@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the whole point of conservatism is to preserve and reinforce the social order.

it's not progress.

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[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As if that is the biggest problem with Russia right now

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LGBT laws and talks are pulled out by the right/far-right when there are shitstorms incoming. It’s literally a giant “Press in case of emergency” button, alongside immigration, etc

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

To distract people from more important issues, you mean?

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Yes.

The Hungarian anti-LGBT law was made in response of financial troubles, labor safety issues, dismantling of the public education and healthcare system, record corruption, the Kaleta case (in which a Hungarian diplomat only received a pitiful fine for CSEM possession, while being in Peru), and the real threats children face from the low age of consent of 14.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Yea think so. A society that always talks about the issues of the right, is a society where the right always wins.

[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no "more important issue" than protecting fundamental human rights, including fundamental human rights of LGBTQ+ people.

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[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

More like pulling this crap that would have people protesting in the streets in peacetime at wartime when people have bigger things to worry about.

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[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is completely false, going after trans people was literally one of the first thing the Nazis did.

LGBTQ+ people aren't a "distraction" from "more important issues", they are real human beings with real lives who fascists love to fuck with for no other reason than they're bullies.

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Dude, LGBT isn’t just “trans people”. nobody is arguing that LGBT ppl aren’t human beings with feelings, but they are easy scapegoats (alongside immigrants etc) to distract people from real problems… unless you consider LGBT people or immigrants or whatever to be problems at all, which are not hence the “distraction”; I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin personally didn’t give a fuck about lgbt people

Nazi germany is a very poor example for your point since Jews, LGBT etc were easy scapegoats for the terrible situations they were in after WW1. You don’t even have to go that far either, look at US, Italy etc that have gone (far-)right and the discussion is always about immigration, LGBT people and other stuff that makes no sense and is either a very small problem or not a problem at all

tldr: governments use easy answer to redirect people’s anger towards made-up problems, so that they don’t really think how fucked they are

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[–] FatTony@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The nukes are their primary strength

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[–] vd1n@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Great now maybe some Americans will migrate there

[–] smoregooseboard@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yes, please!

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

We're not sending our best

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago
[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You have now been granted the first ever lemmy award for your quality and based comment. 🎖

[–] MaiteRosalie@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cis people: doing whatever they want including things that could be considered inmoral
Government: that's completely normal
Trans people: exist
Government: wait that's illegal

[–] Space_Jamke@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russian army: Bombs and kidnaps children

Government: Special military exercise, totally justified.

Trans people: Exist

Government: How horrible! Won't anyone think of the children?

[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’m pretty sure they don’t care about children

[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As if Putin didn't already give us enough reasons to hate him.

He really is determined to follow in all of Hitler's footsteps, huh. Well, hopefully he'll follow Hitler right to the same ending.

[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That would be meta considering the Russians were the ones who got to hitler, shortly after he killed himself.

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this a way to curry favour with the GOP and getting them to agitate for fewer/no supplies to Ukraine?

[–] Lammy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] realaether@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pure speculation: could this have been motivated, to any extent, by some desire to maintain a predictable portion of the population conscriptable, given that only men are conscripted?

The war isn't going quite in the way Putin would have hoped, after all.

[–] Turkey_Titty_city@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No.

This is about social conformity and giving the public an enemy to hate.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find it interesting and sad that yet again, our traitor politicians follow the same plan as Putin.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This time it was the other way around, Putin and his coneys never cared about it until culture war monsters from the west started their current round. There are some speculation that they started it with the help of russian troll farms, but it's hard to tell

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It's a drop in the bucket in that sense, but, what's a target of this law, yet another win over 'deranged west' and it's agenda.

Most of the time people with gender dysphoria don't even know what's that, can hardly find a community, realize they are not cis, start a course of costy tabs, believe they can aquire a legal status from that state – all that with still being there, working, meeting people. It was a surprise to many this loophole existed. And it's still required a doc confirming you have a mental illness.

Cis men won't even try that for our right-wing politics and propaganda, they would rather break a leg than that, or just wait it out.

And no, there are a lot of people still availiable for service. Minority of transwomen wouldn't do any weather. But I'm fucking crumble inside imagining any of them being mobilized into a typical men environment. It's a death sentence.

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