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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Days later, Tam reversed his decision and decided that Li had a case to answer, saying it was the defence who must bear the burden of proof, not the prosecution."

Holy crap. You could be accused of anything and if you can't prove its a lie then bye bye.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess what? We have that in the US too. It's called civil asset forfeiture. Only your property is on trial and you have to prove it wasn't used to commit a crime.

Yup, and we should 100% abolish that nonsense. And while we're at it, let's abolish qualified immunity as well.

429 Too Many Requests

Did we actually get a lemmy hug of death? Or is this likely just a bug on Lemmy's side?

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Surprised the admins let this stay up despite it's "orientalism" (aka not supporting CCP fascism)

[–] Donger@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I can cross horseshoe theory off my bingo card for the day!

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I mean...incidentally everyone seems to be more concerned with poking the bear in this thread, than the actual topic being discussed....

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not quite what orientalism means. It's not just 'concerning China/Chinese', even negatively. Orientalism would be saying that this protestor had a right to play his music because Chinese people are naturally musical. Or something like that.

The case itself raises some interesting issues, such as the internal contradictions within liberal rights and the contradiction of relying on those rights in a place that sits between liberalism and anti-liberalism. The problems arising from the latter might lead to orientalist statements as the result (whatever the result) may be confused for something arising from ethnicity rather than politics.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It should also raise the interesting issue of what it means for Hong Kong to have glory. Hong Kong's long illustrious history is through its participation in China. This protest song is about Hong Kong separatism, which is based in the very short and terrible history of British domination and occupation which was predicated entirely on selling opium to China and then invading them when they outlawed the drug due to 40% of the population becoming addicted. These are far more interesting questions, in my opinion, than whether or not playing a song is a universal human right that cannot be truncated by a state in its attempts to manage the peaceful transition away from barbaric European domination.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Can't say I disagree.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How can you possibly expect to have a robust conversation about the exact thing you want to discuss if you are not allowed to sing a song about it?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know that's how I usually have robust conversations about complex topics - singing. That's why they use song at sporting events and political rallies.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So your argument is that you don't believe art is, or should be an appropriate vehicle for expressing, interpreting or otherwise engaging with complex socio-political issues? Did I do a eurocentrism again?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_the_American_Civil_War

Do you really need to have this conversation right now? Are you ignorant of the deeply violent and oppressive history of the British? Do we need to rehash, yet again, how European fascism thrives and replicates quickly and broadly under conditions of liberal free speech?

https://www.cia.gov/static/598a62b34629a8120fb16d68e440aa15/Director_Burns_Aspen_Security_Forum_Transcript_07202023.pdf

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Ok that's what I thought.

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I used it sarcastically, because IIRC one of the Lemmy devs/.ml admins used that as an excuse to censor news articles about the Uighur genocide

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 year ago

I think we can all agree that absurd conspiracy theories for idiots should be removed.

[–] Peaces@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

World News@lemmy.world removed an opinion peace critical of the CCP. Check the mod log filtering on my name. So now I post in lemmy.ml which seems to have a more mature culture of debate and discussion based on search of opinion posts and pinned politics post of the lemmy.ml owner.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I just looked at the mod log for that community and it doesn't show anything removed with your name, nor anything related to the CPC or China at all. In fact, there's almost nothing in the mod log for that community; it seems to remove hardly anything.

[–] Peaces@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Opinion article. Please feel free to repost with facts and a better source. See the sticky post about missinformation and news soruces. >Thanks

As long as they're consistently removing all opinion pieces then I don't really see a problem.

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

Oh man, do I have bad news for you...

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