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[–] crowsby@kbin.social 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For reference, that's 31.5% of all House Republicans. Another way to see it is that 68.5% of House Republicans, which are generally the most extreme breed of Republican, are supportive of US military aid to Ukraine. I'm pleasantly surprised to find support for Ukraine remaining that high.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And in early 2015, what percentage of Republicans openly supported Trump? How many of them voted to impeach him? How many of them voted to impeach the second time?

Make no mistake - this is extremely alarming and you should wake up. I legitimately can't believe I even have to type this comment out. We are so fucked.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I got to hand it to the Russians. Their disinformation campaigns against the US finally worked.

The GOP has had a long history of supporting their figureheads at all cost, so all it took was getting in bed with one of them. Once Trump was associated with Russia, the whole party and media apparatus became pro Russia.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They didn't just pay trump, they paid a lot of them...

It doesn't cost much in campaign donations to buy a politician, especially a House republican.

Could be as cheap as 5-10k for both primary leaders.

If they take it and win, Russia now has blackmail on them.

That's practically nothing to another country.

[–] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

Don’t forget when both Democratic and Republican parties servers were hacked back in 2015. Things were leaked from the Democrats, but nothing came out on the Republicans. Nice to have that info hanging over their heads…

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

They’ve been working for years, arguable since the run up to the 2016 elections when they started becoming active in Trump and Sanders communities online

[–] Wookie_the_Ewok@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Serious question...Why are these Republicans so pro-Russia? I don't get it.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

Because they envy Putin's oligarchy and the nationalism of the Russian population which makes them easy to control.

Make no mistake - these people want Gilead more than anything. I mean they literally keep saying it over and over again. They are domestic terrorists and enemies of the west. And everyone is going to pretend like this is a "difference of opinion" until it is too late.

[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Own the libs

[–] downdaemon@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about Russia would they dislike?

[–] Shikadi@wirebase.org 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well they're always yelling about how liberals are socialist or communist, and Russia was previously socialist and communist. Also they say they don't like government to control things, and the Russian government controls everything. They hate on NPR and call it state sponsored, while all Russian media is state sponsored. So yeah, you would think they wouldn't like Russia, but only if you thought they actually believe the shit they say.

[–] MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and Russia was previously socialist and communist

The current Russian regime uses heavy Anti-Soviet messaging, and demonizes socialism as much as American conservative politics. The USSR wasn't great for a lot of Russians.

Also they say they don't like government to control things

I think emphasis here needs to be on "they say", yet most non-economic policy American conservatives tout (aka the culture wars) is about injecting more government intervention in the day to day lives of Americans. Ex: Christian Prayer in schools, banning books from libraries, anti-drag bills, banning racial-inequality education, anti-gay legislation, the list goes on and on. American conservatives would love as much control over their population as Russia exerts on theirs.

They hate on NPR and call it state sponsored

Which fits their narrative, when in reality NPR only receives around 5% of government funding. They don't like NPR because they aren't easily able to be bought due to being largely crowd funded and won't immediately parrot their talking points. They would love a state funded media company that parroted their talking points which Fox News comfortably does.

If American conservatives actually believed the their talking points then yes they would be vehemently anti-Russian, but they don't. They're only pro-power which the Russian government has figured out within their borders.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Also they say they don’t like government to control things

They don't like not their government to control things.

[–] vd1n@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Money. There's no way Russia/rich people/criminals aren't playing with these people. My conspiracy is that these people are so dumb they don't know that they are being used or they are just really narcissistic.

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[–] boy@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago

They’re probably just not getting a piece of all that laundered money from the US defense contractors

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ever since Trump they've taken a strange faux "anti-interventionism" isolationist perspective. This is why they have pulled back from Afghanistan, tried to ease tensions with Russia and generally focused on their "American jobs" rhetoric. It is obviously not applied consistently, like anything in the United States since the preamble to the declaration of independence saying "We hold this truths to be self evident that all men are created equal", but this is somewhat consistent with their newer Dovish and isolationist insistence of avoiding getting tangled into conflicts abroad. Ironically for all his racist base and his constant hawkish and white supremacist rhetoric, Trump is one of the few modern Presidents to not have started any significant military intervention abroad. They have however also done a heck of a job making life as a minority in the USA way worse and wasted a ton of potential with the trade war on China and also the atrocity of giving moral/covert support to fascists abroad.

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[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 33 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Remember when a certain senator stood before the house with two blank pieces of paper and said most democrats supported Russia?

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[–] DarkWasp@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Too many of them are beholden to Russia and its interests and have been for some time. Not only that, but also just doing the opposite of whatever Democrats support which isn’t constructive at all.

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Republican policies boil down to

  • Opposing "the commies";
  • Guns.

Wait. How did they end up in bed with Russia?

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You forgot “anti-woke”

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

But I said opposing th---

AH, you're right.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Russia isn't communist.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Sure it is constructive. The billionaires' main goal is to DDos the system and limit time and resources devoted to legitimate legislation. The goal is to keep the US extremely under legislated so their corrupt loopholes stay open. The nonsense is irrelevant. The time it takes to deal with the nonsense is all that maters.

[–] kingthrillgore@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (27 children)

70 people admit they should be investigated for high treason

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (31 children)

How is it treasonous to cut support for a foreign country, exactly?

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[–] itchy_lizard@feddit.it 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great! Surely they'll cut funding to the US military too, right?

[–] DeadGemini@waveform.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope. From an article about the debt ceiling bill that resumed student loan payments in June: "Some $886 billion will be spent on defense, according to the bill text."

That's an increase after a $858 billion defense bill passed in december

Biden's student loan forgiveness only would have cost $400 billion, but spending almost $2 trillion per year on ending people's lives is more important.

[–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

70 house Republicans spread their cheeks for putin

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I can't tell which is which anymore.

Just kiddin', I know what is happening. Republicans are losing control over their own party, this is good news for the next president election, the world is doomed if anyone like deSantis ends up becoming emperor.

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[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Every time I see a picture of Matt Gaetz, I believe more and more that he truly is Butthead in the flesh. Now to decide which republican most favors Bevis.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
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