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[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 65 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 85 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What's funny is I can't tell if you're talking about younger Americans refusing to hate China or older Americans chanting "China Bad!"

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago (50 children)

Both tbh

American failures are being used to prop up Chinese successes. This is particularly true in urbanism discussions. China is by no means perfect and thinking that they are is harmful to progress.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

No CPC ever sold off my future to fund forever wars

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 41 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Younger people increasingly get their news from social media, and they're exposed to a more diverse set of news. Meanwhile, older people tend to primarily get their news from traditional media.

There's a similar trend with support of Israel and Palestine https://www.axios.com/2023/10/26/generational-divide-on-the-israel-hamas-war

This shows just how propagandized traditional media is in the west.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also good to remember that digital media can be just as propogandized if you interact with it at a base level. Shopping around for a wide breadth of sources and opinions should be viewed as standard requirement for forming a more accurate sense of world events.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

Completely agree, and I think it's really valuable to see how events are being covered in different parts of the world.

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This kinda looks like a bad poll. The wording seems to setup a bad choice of extremes. The respondent has to either choose "friendly" or "an enemy". But the relationship between the US and China is a much more complex thing. The US and China are certainly in competition in a number of areas, economically and geopolitically. The induction of China to the WTO in 2001 impacted the US's manufacturing sector negatively (see: https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-9/forty-years-of-falling-manufacturing-employment.htm). The US and China are at odds over the fate of Taiwan. But, in spite of all that, the US and China have deep trade links which benefit both countries greatly. And both countries are likely better off than they would be without the other. Global trade is generally positive for the economies involved, though global trade can also fuck individuals inside each economy, including driving wealth concentration and harming the economically disadvantaged and people whose skills don't align well with the industries their country is focused on.

Trying to boil US-China relations down to either Friendly or "Enemy" misses a lot of the nuance and may mean people aren't giving an accurate picture of how they view China.

[–] ahal@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Those options seem fine for a poll imo. If you ask the same question to older demographics and more people pick "enemy", then isn't the conclusion in the headline valid?

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 11 months ago

I cannot view the article but from the graph it seems "young" means those aged 18-44. They should have been more granular here because variations within this range would have been interesting to see as well.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

Isn't it a general trend that younger people, on average, are less xenophobic / racist / bigoted than the previous generation? I also remember reading somewhere that younger Chinese people are friendlier to Japan, South Korea and the US than their parents.

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I visit China frequently for work and feel that the impression most older Americans have of China is incredibly out of touch. The traditional media portrayal of the country is definitely a part of this. Yes, it's certainly an authoritarian state, but this doesn't change whether the people are nice or what they want in life.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 40 points 11 months ago (14 children)

Technically every state is an authoritarian state.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think it's probably better to simply say that "authoritarian" is a buzzword, though your implied argument that all states work by exerting authority on (at least some portion of) their population is certainly true. Anyone who uses a term like "authoritarian" rather than even a marginally more-descriptive negative term like, idk, "bureaucratic" or "state capitalist" (which gets misused, but I digress) is immediately demonstrating themselves to have untrustworthy judgement on the topic

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

maybe bring back totalitarian and use it against countries like the US? have a word that, like Huey P. Newton said regarding coining the term 'pig' for police, "highlights the contradiction", in this case, between the selective usage of a word and it's inherent meaning, none of which is understandable without contradictions from a prescriptive linguistic context

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Authoritarianism was a bullshit term invented by child-fucker libertarians to frame themselves as being the good guys.

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[–] cucumber_sandwich@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hot take. What's the eli5 behind the idea?

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Well, every state enforces its laws and its territorial claims through the use of unilateral violence; if a person doesn't agree with a state's law, the state isn't going to exempt them from it, it will make them follow it by force. More importantly, the state maintains that this is a moral and legitimate use of force: that it has the authority to do this.

And yes most states (all states really) have procedures by which their citizens can have a say in what the laws should be, but what they never do is cede any authority. Everybody has to follow the law, and will be forced to if needed.

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My company has an office in China and I've been there many many times.

Chinese people are like all other people - same needs, same hopes and dreams, same fears, same drivers. In the city where our office is located, they are extremely hard working and want to ensure a better future for their family. Just like most American cities.

Their city is very high tech, moreso than many American cities because they skipped a lot of legacy technology.

They don't necessarily subscribe to the same moral/value system as Americans, for example they often see copying each other's ideas as a compliment whereas Americans see it as stealing. Kind of like - if it's possible to copy, then it's fair game - so don't make it possible if you don't want it copied. Perhaps that drives a different kind of innovation.

Obviously there are many more cultural differences. But as a people, we are all essentially working with the same needs.

All that being said I don't appreciate the great firewall when I'mthere, the censorship, and the fear they have about discussing banned topics. I don't appreciate the high-tech security cameras at every corner, or all the tracking of activities. The younger generations tolerate this for now because they are wealthier than their parents and told to cooperate, but that may not hold long term.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 22 points 11 months ago

I don’t appreciate the high-tech security cameras at every corner, or all the tracking of activities.

I've got bad news for you about the West.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

The kids are alright

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

, but at what cost?

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

"...and here's what we need to do about it."

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Further proof that Reddit and gamers aren't the best representation of young people. Also really liking the fits that they're wearing in the picture.

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[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago

Good to hear

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago

IT'S THE DARN TICK TOCKS RUINING THE YOUTH!!

...or maybe capitalism just sucks shit?

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

living through remnants of cold War with cccp

have access to internet to research what happend to america afterwards

everything made come from China

seemingly life is worse today compared to the 80s and 90s.

Yea I can't imagine why young people don't give a fuck about a new cold war with China

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

Wasn't part of the promise of economic globalization that increased interdependence would lead to less conflict? That a smaller, more connected world, would lead to intercultural communication and understanding, leading to a more stable international order?

I mean, wasn't this supposed to be a feature? Why is it being reported as a bug?

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