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[–] C8H10N4O2@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I might be in the minority here, but I feel this is actually a step back.

In the 5 years I've had my phone, there have been two times I've ever really needed to pull the battery, and still the hard reset sequence still eventually worked in both cases.

Anyone remember how some phones had issues with the battery door becoming somewhat loose over time, causing any slight bump to turn the phone off? Many have already commented on how they explode into multiple pieces when dropped. Traditionally the battery covers are incredibly flimsy plastic, even on flagship devices (cough Samsung). Waterproofing is a common concern too, however it actually can be done with a removable battery (e.g. Galaxy S5).

What really needed to be addressed here was how cumbersome it is to get into these devices to replace the battery, and how often people are price gouged to replace them. I believe this could have been better written to allow for either a removable battery, or a standardized and affordable built-in battery replacement process.

[–] seriousslayerguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is great.

[–] CocktailPlasma@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Phones were designed with non-removable batteries for a reason. It's not just to screw w/ the customer and make them pay someone to replace their phone battery. It's to aid in water resistance and to help with a smaller form factor. This will lead to nothing good. And I'm sure it will carry over to other countries as well as I'm sure a lot of phone manufacturers won't want to make special models JUST for the EU.

Just another example of the EU imposing nonsense regulations that will screw over the rest of the world, like their stupid cookie popup nonsense.

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[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is actually pretty crazy. Wonder how much it'll affect the overall design of modern smartphones. Will we witness the return of flagships with plastic back covers?

[–] C8H10N4O2@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] Guud723@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Holy. 👍

I wonder how thick phones will be because of this, what about phones with dual-cell battery? I know some of them do this for faster charging speed.

[–] Relisui@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely nothing will change You can already swap the battery very easily, once you win the fight with the glue. Granted, most of the recent phones now allows removing said glue more or less easily, too. The only problem i can see are the IP ratings, as the backplate would need to be swappable

[–] Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think the IP ratings are gonna be that much worse.

The galaxy s5 had IP67 with a removable battery back in 2014.

[–] ClassyDave@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wonder if phone manufacturers will fragment their offerings to satisfy EU requirements or if we'll all end up with removable batteries.

[–] moridinbg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It will be a pretty major redesign of the chasis and body to accommodate a removable battery and the cover, so I think it would make little economical sense to maintain two designs for every phone sold here.

[–] Doodoocaca@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Misleading title. Phones can still be glued. Waterproof phones still don't need to have a user replaceable battery (the battery needs to be replaceable but by professionals).

[–] TheLurker@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I will assume that your example is the reason for your your comment, and while I agree this does open the door for exclusion, that is after all a reasonable one.

You cannot have a consumer device at a reasonable price point, designed to provide water resilience, which also contains an open section to the power supply.

[–] electriccars@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Brkdncr@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How is this a win? My non-Android device is at 89% health after 5 years. I’m not going to replace the battery, I’m going to replace the device.

I’d prefer that we get paid $20 to recycle an old phone so that they actually get recycled.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is it a loss for you in any way? Just because the battery can be replaced more easily doesn't mean you have to replace it if you're at 89% after 5 years. I use my phone a lot and burn through batteries in 18-24 months. This shouldn't have any effect on people who only have light usage like you but benefit the rest of us tremendously.

It'd be like only driving 1,000 miles a year and saying there's no need to make oil changes easier to accomplish. Some of use have to change it orders of magnitude more frequently than you and would appreciate not having to disassemble the whole front of our cars to do it.

[–] Brkdncr@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Replaceable battery means extra plastic,extra size, and reduced design parameters because the design has to be around the battery and it’s ability to be replaced using connectors. Look at what blackberry devices looked like. Battery and OS tech got a little better, but they used the same batteries for a long amount of time. I’m not saying that we’ll have blackberry devices again, I’m saying that things like connectors, latches, and the extra size of a battery that’s designed to be held all adds up to extra space being used.

My usage is probably above average. Probably closer to your average fediverse/redditor. I’m far from a “light user”.

That being said, your average user doesn’t burn through batteries like you do. Maybe you should be pressuring the market to build your phone instead of forcing everyone that has no need for a replaceable battery to put up with the deficiencies of that form factor?

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[–] Chagrins@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really hoping this happens. I want to be able to replace the battery on my phone after a year because the performance on the battery degraded by nearly half.

That being said, I'm also willing to bet some time shortly after this goes into affect, the cost of mobile service (at least in the US) will go up another $10/$15 a month, and phones will increase in cost by another $100-$200. Not because materials cost more, or designs change. But to preemptively screw people over.

[–] Evono@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

on the battery degraded by nearly half.

One year nearly half ? wtf , even my 24/7 power used phone lost approx only 17% on battery health and its a Poco x3 pro

[–] balance_sheet@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Doesn't this mean no waterproof then? Idk.. I'm all down for right to repair but I'd rather choose struggling to remove glued battery from my phone maybe once every 2-3 years than to lose waterproof..

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[–] konalt@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I actually love all these regulations on smartphones (mainly by the EU), like the recent USB-C standard. That one in particular makes it so much easier to share chargers around the house!

[–] designated_fridge@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

USB-type C to become EU's common charger by end of 2024

I mean... Sure, but we've had USB-C as de facto standard for many years now. When was the last time you saw a micro USB phone?

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

As a USA citizen, thanks EU for making our cellphone companies not be dick's.

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