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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

remember you guys. peace day 1! trump never lies

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[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 139 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

The USA has shown over and over, it's the only thing we take seriously. We don't give a fuck until you have nukes. We don't care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just "how can we take advantage of you?"

Also .. World, I understand you're not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 50 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."

So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn't do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly why the lesson any other non-nuclear armed country should learn is to get the nukes

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm ready to protest this shit. Tell me when and where to show up, my local big city or state capital. This is some bullshit. Trump and Vance are egotistical dickheads. Ukraine are our allies! Imagine George Washington doing this with Marquis de Lafayette, or FDR with Churchill!! Unspeakable!

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Ukraine is a US ally. Trump is a Russian ally. Of course he would attack his adversary.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 11 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Bro have you been in a coma? The US is now taking the side of Russia, North Korea, Iran and China. Our alliances with the free west are dead.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's kinda what they said.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 18 points 7 hours ago

This is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've seen. We all are used the the bar getting lower and lower but lordy it just accelerated.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 34 points 9 hours ago (17 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 77 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (5 children)

"Peace deal" means surrender now, don't join NATO, and get invaded again in a few years.

TBH idk how Zelenskyy thought things would go any differently.

[–] WorkshopBubby@lemmy.ca 65 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I doubt he thought it would go differently. But he did an amazing job showing the world how utterly depraved Trump and Vance are. There can be no question now that they are Putin stooges. The United States lost the cold war, Putin won without firing a single bullet. It is out in the open.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

He probably fired quite a few bullets, but I get you.

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[–] Ketchup@reddthat.com 108 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 34 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.

Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

That sucks and permabans really shouldn't be a thing except in extreme causes of threatening to like harm/dox some one and stuff like that. Not seeing where you did anything to get banned at all, but especially not permabanned.

If Lemmy just ends up being another reddit that's going to suck so bad.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 43 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.

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[–] gashead76@lemmy.world 98 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I just can't understand why Vance would interpret Zelenskyy as being disrespectful for politely, calmly, and carefully articulating his point of view on how diplomacy has failed him and his country. Vance seems like the type of person I would basically laugh at and walk away from if I were in a situation to have to hear him be "alpha and in-charge".

It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.

[–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 67 points 11 hours ago

Because they went in wanting to find a way to make Zelenskyy seem unreasonable. They have no intention of helping Ukraine at all and now it's going to be because he didn't immediately kiss Trumps feet.

[–] TheTwelveYearOld@lemmy.world 42 points 10 hours ago

It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.

That's not a coincidence.

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