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Veloren is in pre alpha, but it looks like anyone can host a server. I have only been playing it a little and still unsure about everything. It does not use Activity Pub so it is not federated, but it is decentralized.
There is a small community for it. !veloren@lemmy.ml
And it is available on Windows/Linux/macOS.
Federation of servers has been extensively discussed for Veloren, but the problem is that player characters are currently tied to the server they are on (contrary to player accounts) and that the developers are concerned about the potential havok to the simulated economy that players moving between servers could cause.
I started single player, but recently decided to try multiplayer and was surprised I had to create a new character. And as I was thinking about it the economy did come to mind.
Maybe something like FFXIV could be done where you can swap servers, but unlike FFXIV you cannot buy/sell/trade?
That would actually be really cool. If there were a federated mmo, I’d play it. Well play it assuming it’s fun.
Second Life?
Everything is hosted locally and created by the players. It works on BitTorrent tech to send and receive the data of objects and shit.
There are also players run emulated servers for older MMOs like Ultima Online, EverQuest even WoW, making it somewhat decentralized. You're not forced to actually subscribe to and play on the official servers (if they even still exist).
Second Life? Everything is hosted locally and created by the players.
Did you mean ~~OpenGrid~~ OpenSim? Second Life is not hosted by anyone but Linden Lab.
I'm just talking about the content in the case of Second Life. It's distributed through BitTorrent, which was one of its selling points at launch.
Though at this point, it might have emulated servers as well.
That's fair.
And not that I'm doubting your claim, but this is the first I hear of it; Do you have any sources for SL content being p2p? It would explain why it so regularly breaks.
Oh wow are you talking about OpenSimulator and hypergrids like OSGrid? I haven't thought about those in years, I had to look them up again.
As I recall: people reverse-engineered the Second Life communication protocol to make a library to interact with it. Then they made their own viewers/interfaces. Then they made their own second-life-like servers/worlds. Then they made it possible to connect those worlds in grids. This was all open source. I haven't been following them for a while though.
That's about right. It's also stuck in time, a decade behind SL.
But they've figured out how to do federated grids, which is cool.
Are there any fediverse games at all?
Does this count? https://modrinth.com/mod/fedicraft
I think this just makes hyperlinks that lead to fediverse servers open in the user's preferred client, falling back to the browser.
There are decentralized MMOs but I dont belive any of them federate
I'm trying to figure out what that looks like. So you mean they're just peer to peer? I'd be interested to see one of those, sounds cool.
He probably meant private servers. WoW has tons of private servers, for instance.
Back in the day, I used to play the online text-based MMORPG Urban Dead and really enjoyed Nexus War, a fantasy War-in-Heaven game inspired by its success that a lot of the UD players hopped over to.
In theory, this kind of system would work well on the Fediverse as overheads are relatively low and the instances could represent different "lands".
A quick ponder on this suggests some kind of portal fantasy that gives you access to these "lands" as you would struggle to define a map with instances arriving and, probably, dropping out.
Something like that. Each instance would work on their particular setting and it could be fun for existing Fediverse instances to come up with a "land" that suited them - db0 would have to pirates, feddit.uk could go Steampunk, SLRPNK could do something... well the theme is pretty clear.
My god Urban Dead, hadn’t thought about that in ages just had a flood of memories pop up
Creedy Defence Force, prowling the zombie filled streets living on the edge. Good times.
There's been talk of linking Luanti servers with Stargates. I'm not aware of anyone having a working mod for it but it should be doable.
I'd love to see this!
Not really AFAIK. It's a hard thing to create because ... how do you stop people from just saying they have max levels and joining any other server with max levels (?)
You can do the private server thing but the federation of them is where things get messy because different operators could set different rates of gain on different materials and have different standards on what's considered cheating.
If you don't have that shared state... Arguably any game where you can host your own servers can be a federated mmo.
I think the way to make it work is to have each instance represent a "world" and you only have stats and equipment within a world. Then when you cross over to another instance you are now subject to that instance's ruleset.
It wouldn't be so much a federated MMO but more like a large variety of games connected geographically (in the virtual sense).
At that point, it wouldn't be much different from games that simply allow anyone to host their own servers
One method could be to have a replay system, public state snapshots, and publicly logged inputs. Servers could randomly audit federated peers by replaying small segments of their logs, and defederate/broadcast that there is a problem if the end state doesn't match. This would require them to be running the same code and not use arbitrary mods, but different settings would still be possible.
You just make it so you have an account you can use in different servers, but each server still has its own characters.
Why have an account at all...?
Because you can take it server to server. If you try and play an mmo on private servers, you have to make an account on each server. You could see what people have done on other servers, even though they haven’t leveled up on all servers.
Vircadia is a kind of VR mmo that is federated.
Does fediverse plays pokemon count? Lol there's a mastodon account where you vote for the next move of a game of pokemon gold
Mention of AQWorlds and private servers? What year is this! Were you a lurker or member of the CE forum or Stylin-on.me? 😉
I was posting when I should've been lurking lol, half my posts/comments as a kid are gibberish
You could try adding AP support to an OSS MMO like eg., The Mana World