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I was watching the RFK Jr questioning today and when Bernie was talking about healthcare and wages I felt he was the only one who gave a real damn. I also thought "Wow he's kinda old" so I asked my phone how old he actually was. Gemini however, wouldnt answer a simple, factual question about him. What the hell? (The answer is 83 years old btw, good luck america)

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[–] Sharp312@lemmy.one 149 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Local LLM gang represent! ✌️

Local LLMs aren't perfect but are getting more usable. There's abliterated models and uncensored fine tunes to choose from if you don't like your LLM rejecting your questions.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 117 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Why would you use a chatbot to attempt to obtain factual information?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 47 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

I mostly can't understand why people are so into "LLMs as a substitute for Web search", though there are a bunch of generative AI applications that I do think are great. I eventually realized that for people who want to use their cell phone via voice, LLM queries can be done without hands or eyes getting involved. Web searches cannot.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because web search was intentionally hobbled by Google so people are pushed to make more searches and see more ads.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I still use web search all the time, I just don’t use Google. There are great alternatives:

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Do any of them actually work? As in, you search something and it gives you relevant results to the whole thing you typed in?

[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’ve used DuckDuckGo for a long time, so I would say yes. But the best way to figure that out is just to try it for a while. There is literally nothing to lose.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have been using it for about 7 years and its just as shit.

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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Would saying “Gemini, open the Wikipedia page for Bernie Sanders and read me the age it says he is”, for example, suffice as a voice input that both bypasses subject limitations and evades AI bullshitting?

[–] brb@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Gemini refuses to answer

Copilot seems to know the current date and calculates the age from that

ChatGPT is clueless

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[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Web searches cannot

Web search by voice was a solved problem in my recent memory. Then it got shitty again

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[–] vala@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Dunno if your typo was intentional or not, but all I see in this thread is that somehow a typo is a way to bypass whatever block they have on discussion related to political figures. Which is bonkers. The great minds at the Goog somehow missed a pretty obvious workaround.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Or you can ask it to respond in pirate English, bypasses a lot of blocks

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

R3g3n3r47|ng w17h 1337 5P34k i5 7h3 n3w h0tn355.

Which feels poetic.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

arrr my matee. Where be the nearest fine madens I've been seein' in this here advert? 🦜🏴‍☠️⚔️

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What's the knowledge cutoff date for the model? Is that even a thing on Gemini? I've been pretty intentional about not using it.

Is it from before Musk became such an overt political figure? I genuinely don't know.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 3 days ago

It calls Twitter X, so to answer the last question: no

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[–] Jeeptrap@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Google has implemented restrictions on Gemini's ability to provide responses on political figures and election-related topics. This is primarily due to the potential for AI to generate biased or inaccurate information, especially in the sensitive and rapidly evolving landscape of politics. Here are some of the key reasons behind this decision:

  • Mitigating misinformation: Political discourse is often rife with misinformation and disinformation. AI models, like Gemini, learn from vast amounts of data, which can include biased or inaccurate information. By limiting responses on political figures, Google aims to reduce the risk of Gemini inadvertently spreading misinformation.
  • Avoiding bias: AI models can inherit biases present in their training data. This can lead to skewed or unfair representations of political figures and their viewpoints. Restricting responses in this area helps to minimize the potential for bias in Gemini's output.
  • Preventing manipulation: AI-generated content can be used to manipulate public opinion or influence elections. By limiting Gemini's involvement in political discussions, Google hopes to reduce the potential for its technology to be misused in this way.
  • Maintaining neutrality: Google aims to maintain a neutral stance on political matters. By restricting Gemini's responses on political figures, they can avoid the appearance of taking sides or endorsing particular candidates or ideologies. While these restrictions may limit Gemini's ability to provide information on political figures, they are in place to ensure responsible use of AI and to protect the integrity of political discourse.
[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This response seems strangely AI-y

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This seems reasonable, honestly.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

So American LLM's get to censor politics of their choosing but Chinese LLM's do not. Amazjng.

[–] LeeNeighoff@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

How about a more apt comparison to the type of stuff DeepSeek has gone viral for censoring?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Does not use the word concentration camp

Despite the injustices they faced many Japanese sought to demonstrate their loyalty to the Unites States

Look at my amazing propaganda

My sides

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Now ask DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Not just Bernie, it doesn't reply to questions about trump either. I guess they don't want the AI to reply to political questions with biased opinions from the internet, which is fair.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It looks like they disabled responses about current major political figures.

[–] BatrickPateman@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

As OP's query regarding RFK Jr. yielded a response he can be considered "not a major political figure" then, I guess. Nice burn, Gemini 🤭.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

The only mildly infuriating thing is that people keep posting this shit

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 days ago (4 children)

They've politicised age! What's next!?🕴️

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This will be a blanket filter on his name, not his age. And if anything they are trying to de-politicise gemini.

Not that i agree with that practice, personally.

But its not fair to say they are politicising age by omitting any responses related to a political figure.

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[–] threshold_dweller@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

So stop using them.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago

Damn those chinese censors!!!... wait

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

AOC and Ted Cruz got the same response, as did "who is $X".

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Gemini sounds like me in my 20's "don't talk trouble, won't be trouble"

[–] Robotunicorn@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

That’s because Google is not only a shit company, it’s also in Trump’s pocket. They changed the name of the Gulf of Mexico for US users. WTF?

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] B312@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Google’s generative AI

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