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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I really don't like Elon musk and I am convinced that he cares little about anyone but himself. He is a liar and a fraud. His Morals are clearly 100% motivated by profit. He seems sexist and classist.

Trump is obviously classist and seemingly racist (the difference between racist and classist isn't always so obvious)

I really really don't like both of them.

But I don't think Elon did a salute. To me, (especially as he did it twice) it seems like he moves his hand to his heart and then "throws" it out to the audience. Would be on brand for Zuckerberg, very alien. But "innocent". I guess, you could argue that it is a dog whistle and he wants deniability.

Honestly, It doesn't matter to me. A bad man is a bad man.

[–] SorryforSmelling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

if you dont mean to defend/apologise for musk. why did you even take the time to write this? As a german who studied the ns-regieme a lot in their life let me (and pretty much every expert on that issue who commented on that) tell you that this is a clear nazi solute. not greatly executed, the führer would have been dissapointed, but it features all the elements to that salute. as i suspect elon has a pr team, and 'educated' himself on the holocaust in Oświęcim, id say it is impossible he didnt know and accidentally mimiced it in that detail.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago

I also know a lot about the NS Regime. For similar reasons than you, I assume. The execution is so bad that I just don't believe it is. But I am happy to admit that I am not aware of the connection between the event and Oświęcim, without assuming that it was a salute. Could you explain that to me, please?

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your mental gymnastics are Olympic class

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago

Which mental gymnastics? Seriously, please point them out to me.

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not how you throw something though

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago

I agree but it isn't how you do a "proper" "Hilter salute" either. I am just saying what I am seeing and I am making no claims that he is doing that. It is in my opinion like I say a very alien motion.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Video evidence of him throwing a Nazi salute; side-by-side comparison of him and Hitler throwing the same salute; he's boosting the fucking NAZI PARTY in Germany, but i don't think he means it, guys!

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh I believe he is a racist and a classist. The execution is just so horrible that I don't believe that it was. Could you share the video with me? That could help me to see what you see. I have seen many documentaries (it is a popular topic on German tv) but I just don't currently see it. It is not like I studied how exactly Hilter did the salute.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It was in another of the many threads discussing this topic. I'll link it if i can find it.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Look, I get it mistakes happen. If a reasonable person had done something that might have given the wrong impression, they would have been like "sorry that was not my intent, I apologize to those that got offended".

This is not what Musk did AFTER being called out.

So, fuck this. This was a Nazi salute. Don't believe the gaslighting.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But I don’t think Elon did a salute.

Okay, hear me out. What if the apartheidist xenophobe far-right suck-up with the media machine that front-pages Nazi shit on the regular... what if his arm just did that?

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

It has been known to happen.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago

He certainly sucks up to far-right parties. If that should have been a salute then I am honestly shocked by the poor execution. Someone can be a horrible person without all their motion to be motivated by their horrible nature. Sometimes they are weird. And don't tell me Elon is not a fucking weirdo too.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Sorry, Thanks to American Exceptionalism, (and Americans misunderstanding what that term even means). They will never, ever, ever ever ever admit that they are wrong.

The next logical step is to start seeing rambling about "god is with us, jesus is on our side" etc.

[–] group_hug@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

Well he moved the bullet because he wanted trump to rule. Just awaiting DOGE to announce they are going to make recovering the Ark of the Covenant a top priority.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

American pride won’t admit defeat, you’re right. However, most Americans are blind to brown nosing. Like Trump, if you just make them feel good emotionally, you can make them do whatever you want. (See the lifting of the tik tok ban)

Just call us good little boys and girls and tell us Jesus would want us to share, and you’ll have a communist America overnight.

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[–] Gluca23@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Bullies know to be bullies.

[–] IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

That is, assuming they have the ability to self-reflect

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol. They don't think white supremacy is bad.

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