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[–] arc@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Next he'll be wearing a swastika on his arm and claiming "oh this is just a whirling log, a symbol of prosperity and peace". And also "oh this is just a very black uniform that Hugo Boss made for me"

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[–] Ste41th@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah that’s bad but I just feel sorry for the marine who got hit in the face with a flag and had his hat knocked back lol

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 25 points 1 week ago
[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago

In Austria, he'd already be arrested... twice!

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

It is amazing people are still making excuses for this.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (20 children)

How many Americans right now are going to be like the Jews in Germany in the 1930s? They're a targeted group and can see what's coming, but for some reason aren't doing everything in their power to get away before they're rounded up and thrown in camps?

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you read Holocaust survivors memoirs you will learn many things.

During Operation Reinhard the killing centers were unthinkable and also veiled under strict secrecy. The information was so unbelievable that although there was early intelligence out of Chelmno for gassing vans, and later Slovak escapees published a document detailing the operation of Auschwitz-Birkenau II, it was met with disbelief and treated similar to a conspiracy theory. Wartime propaganda made this worse, by spreading so many rumors that people could not know what to believe.

The killing process was so barbaric that even prisoners who had witnessed it while doing other tasks in the camps, were in denial about it, as per their own memoirs. When Rogerie, member of French Resistance / primary witness against Holocaust Deniers, arrived in Auschwitz the first thing the French doctor told him was that the gassings were taking place, and he did not believe it until he saw with his own eyes. Even today are pretty foggy about what exactly happened in and around gas chambers.

The Nazi deception and subterfuge apparatus was so ubiquitous that in lots of cases people thought they were going to take showers. The killing centers were idyllic in appearance, and were made to the last detail to look like innocuous intermediary stops. Nobody escaped these places with the sole exception of the Sobibor uprising, and the Slovak Birkenau escapees. Churchill only came to know about the gassings around the time of the Nazi negotiations with Hungary about deporting Hungarian Jews to Birkenau, which was later in the war. The Sonderkommando photographs were taken during the cremation of the bodies of Hungarian Jews. Those three sources were the only hard evidence about the gassings up to late 1943, I think. It was a very well protected wartime state secret.

This is not to say that there were no rumors about it, nor that it wasn't common knowledge among certain segments of the German population. But, for many Jewish people what we now know was a wild conspiracy theory they thought too stupid to believe. They also had some more everyday shit to worry about. They were facing boycotts, pogroms, malnutrition, and were deported into ghettos and camps. Some were better off, for example in villages, and they didn't want to live as refugees in Ukraine.

Nazis had installed Jewish Councils to take care of such villages, and these councils were selecting people for camps, believing it would be just very hard labor. Wealthier families could pay the councils off to evade recruitment. When Operation Reinhard started the villages were surrounded by Trawniki men in the early hours and they would round up as many Jewish people as they could fit in the trucks. At this point people would start hiding in attics and special hideouts in the homes, while the Nazis started moving vast numbers of people from ghettos into Jewish villages, where they would be soon taken by the Trawniki's to the killing centers.

At this point it would be almost impossible to escape the villages alive. Some survivors report they tried, but not succeed. But people did not have sufficient and/or reliable information to act on before it was too late. Jews from other European countries, like Dutch, Greek, etc, they would ride a train from their hometown and end up in a gas chamber in a matter of days. Most of the victims from outside Poland would have had a few short minutes available to realize what had happened to them.

In fact, nobody talks much about this period apart from survivors. They all express the same concern: Don't let this be forgotten. It can happen anywhere, and it will definitely happen again, if not by the exact same means, by equally barbaric ones. If you read the whole thing from the 1930s prison camps up to Operation Reinhard killing centers you can have a rough idea about how they will go about it.

Probably they will build the deportation camps for illegal immigrants, make gender non-conformity a sex crime, get trans people in the prison labor system, then upgrade many prison to work camps. At the same time by prohibiting transition and denying healthcare they will decimate trans people by suicide or malpractice, and when they have the opportunity, for instance: during time of war, they might as well build gas chambers because deportees are too many to humanely deport, and put trans people and leftists there as well. I mean, they have followed the Nazi playbook to the letter so far, why would they stop now?

Sounds crazy, right? It sounded as much crazy in 1942, but it is true.

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[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

This won’t embolden white supremacists at all…

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is not what I expected.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You should set more realistic expectations

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[–] Embarrassingskidmark@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

What's wrong with him??? Really

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[–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

What? What.. what..? ..??

Help, how do I escape this cursed timeline

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[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

I wondering if he did it to win a bet: "Hey man, we already get away with some fucken outlandish shit, and people ate that up. I bet you that you can't get away with throwing out a nazi salute on live tv"

fElon: hold my K...

[–] CircuitGuy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It feels like the Nazis are passing beyond living memory so there are few people alive who remember how bad they were.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago
[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

"Mildly" is putting it mildly.

[–] darthsid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Jesus Christ - I’ve filtered for all Elon and Trump news and this manages to skip the filter.

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Please other countries send us help. No this isn't a drill

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wish he would do that in Germany just once

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 week ago

The US didn't even get the excuse of being forced to pay obscenely high war reparations to justify their fascism. Instead, it's dissatisfaction with inflation which, in turn, is the predictable combination of the exponential depletion of scarce resources (real estate, water) and the consolidation of property into the hands of an ultra wealthy minority. If one must frame the emergence of fascism in a “war” context, then the cause is plutocrat beligerantes strategically fighting a social class war while most of everyone else think it's a culture war.

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Thank you for using D-M-Y time format

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