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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[โ€“] derbolle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i wanted to move my google stuff to Proton this year as a Backup for my self hosted stuff. Shame, seems like I need to put a little more time into managing my self hosted stuff

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[โ€“] transitinoir@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago

Stop switching to every new "cool" and "encrypted" service every time the previous one disappointed you a little bit. This is not helpful neither for your time, nor for privacy community overall. We should lean on most developed and best platforms we have right now (Proton, Signal etc.) and get everyone to switch. Unless we know we have market dominance, dispersing our efforts is futile.

And yep, answering your question, Tuta Mail is fine

[โ€“] guismo@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I've been using Runbox for many years and it's weird i don't see recommendations.

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[โ€“] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

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[โ€“] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

is tuta the new pick for custom domain email?

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[โ€“] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I have been on Opalstack since they started. I like them. I pay for hosting monthly. I've self-hosted several apps there (or tried to, sometimes; I couldn't make everything work all the time). Nextcloud is dodgy; I like it, but it's a pain in the ass for someone like me (not a dev, not a coder) to deal with the almost inevitable problems every 2 or 3 times I need to upgrade. And I've never been able to get an office suite working well. Much of this could be because I'm trying to run NC on shared hosting; even opalstack's support doesn't fix all of that.

Email: opalstack has email. I use it. I don't actually know what service it is, but I have three or four mailboxes linked to a couple of domain names I own, and several hundred email addresses* Thunderbird does great with IMAP on my laptop, desktop, and phone, with opalstack as the server.

*lots of emails because when I sign up for something I create a new email address just in case they sell my stuff and I start to get spam.

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[โ€“] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

disroot

depending on your politics, autistici

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[โ€“] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

been using https://migadu.com/ for a few months now and its pretty great

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