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Yeah, I also don't like such general laziness. It's also not just limited to switching to Linux, it's kind of the same with switching to anything that's better but slightly(!) more inconvenient than what you're used to. Well, you can't make or be part of some progress unless you're willing to sometimes get off your comfy couch and do something you've never done before. Like switching to Linux. Like stopping eating meat. Like stopping supporting certain evil companies. Like going to vote for a non-retarded option. Like voting with your wallet for the products you use/buy and also NOT use/buy. If everyone would do it, the world would be a different (better) place. But still too few are doing it. Because it's slightly less convenient. And that would be so damn hard to change. Oh man would that be hard. Not.

If the game doesn't run on Linux, there's a good chance it's using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.

You ever seen this XKCD about “today’s 10,000?”

Your rant reminds me of that because I think you’ve got this idea in your head that everyone in life is at the same point in their journey as you are now. Linux has been on the edge of my mind for awhile but I’m a really busy working person and learning a new operating system seems daunting when you don’t have the experience.

Then I bought a Steamdeck last year and a switch flipped in my head; I was like hey this gaming on Linux and it looks like it is actually doable. Then a few weeks back a misfortune resulted in Windows getting nuked on my gaming PC and I had some free time so installed Linux for the first time and started trying to figure stuff out.

My point is that there are people who are truthfully interested but overwhelmed with life or it’s just not as high a priority to them so it hasn’t happened yet but that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. This approach of “they would have done it by now if they were going to” just seems silly to me. People have lives and we are all at different places in our journey.

I hate when people say that they'll only move when it has 100% support

Why do you give a shit what os others use?

This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn't mull it over even a little bit.

Please go back in time to when you weren't using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.

Frankly, I probably wouldn't move either if Windows didn't permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers

I think this might be colouring your expectations a bit, and you might be projecting your experiences on to others.

I've said for years that it was gaming that was holding me back from running Linux full time. I don't do a huge amount of gaming, but it is important to me, so for many years it was a deal breaker.

Now, gaming is good enough, even though it's not perfect, and I moved to linux full time around 9 months ago.

People aren't "lying". They just have different priorities to you...

"I want to be able to use my expensive hardware for the reason I purchased it in the first place" seems like a pretty solid argument to me.

Pointless discussion.

"Fuck you Microsoft, I'm moving to Linux" says the individual that would never move if they haven't already

I posted this in a comment somewhere on Lemmy about a month before I moved. It took me a while because I have a chronic illness, a disability, and the whole process takes a lot of sitting at my desk which is quite hard on my body.

Not everyone's circumstances are the same. I get the sentiment you're trying to share but cut people some slack...

Im ngl, I feel like its posts like these that make people dislike Linux users. Expecting every game that you own to run perfectly isn't some insane requirement, its totally reasonable lol. I get that its kinda frustrating people won't ever switch, but lets be real, the only way Linux is actually going to gain new users is by having it come pre-installed on devices. Look at the increased Linux use because it's the default OS on the steamdeck. It just needs to be the default on more devices, and be solid enough that people don't even notice they're not on Windows. The amount of people who will actually go out of there way to switch their OS is so negligible it may as well not even count. So who cares about these people who will never switch, because they probably won't matter much in the end anyway.

--And I say this as someone who has been on Linux full time for a little over a year now.

I refuse to let gaming preferences dictate my choice of operating system. I choose my OS first—Linux—because I demand full ownership of my computing environment. If an entity can extract data without your knowledge or control updates, shutdowns, or reboots against your will, they own your machine—not you. With Linux, I own my system entirely. I decide when updates happen, I control what data—if any—leaves my computer, and nothing happens without my explicit consent. My computer works for me, not someone else.

Why is it a lie if people don't want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don't know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.

Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.

As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.

SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.

I'm sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it'll be familiar.

It's mainly Linux enthusiasts who evangelize other people to use it. So if others don't want to move to Linux, let them be.

Switching from Windows to Linux was a refreshing experience. I’ve never encountered any problems running Windows games on Linux.

The only thing I miss is ShareX.

I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.

I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, "just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything." Neither of those is the case because it doesn't factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.

So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it's mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.

Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren't growing isn't going to help.

In my experience linux runs every game I want and has done it with less issues, crashes and tinkering than it was on windows 11. I constantly see posts from windows users about how some game doesn't work or crashes while it runs fine on both deck and pc. Only games not working are those that are disabled by devs to scapecoat massive amount of hackers onto linux users.

I understand what you’re saying and I guess it’s true that some people are just finding excuses.

But I think you also lack some empathy towards everyone ´s user’s case.

Personnaly, switching fully to Linux was pretty easy as 99% of my gaming is being done on Playstation.

On my playstation 5 I can know for sure that I can play every game I fancy.

Why am I gaming on consoles? Mostly because it involves no tinkering.

So, despite having gotten rid of Windows a while ago, I would easily give up if I had to tinker to get a game running.

I know that gaming on Linux as never been so easy, but gaming on PC (windows or linux) looks already too difficult for some people with all the requirements.

I might jump to a Linux gaming rig in the future, but I can also understand why some people are choosing an easy path.

I feel the someway about people who say "I'm moving to Linux after W10 support ends".

I think it takes one of two things for people to move.

1. Linux has to have several features that are unavailable on Windows that makes it worth swapping.
2. Windows has to do something so egregious that they no longer consider it viable.

In my case, I swapped back 3 years ago when ads appeared in explorer for a preview version. In combination with the work the community had done for Valve to consider the steam deck worth selling with Linux, I was confident enough that I could have a good enough experience with Linux.

It's a little strange that you think "I want feature parity with what's working for me (from my perspective)" is:

1. A lie.
2. Unreasonable to ask for.

The healthy responses would be "Well, I hope either support grows or your needs change, because of some philosophical reasons you might not care about... yet" or, if they're open to it "Oh, it can do this if you put a little work in, let me help you."

The unhealthy response is to accuse people of moving goalposts as if someone's tool of choice is a political debate. It can be, obviously, given FOSS philosophies, but honestly this kind of screed just drives people away.

I can't believe I bought a windows license in July, back when I built my new PC - was planning to use Windows for games exclusively and Linux for everything else.

Haven't booted into Windows since at least November, it's a great feeling. Every game I play (including new releases) runs fine on Linux.

What a time to be alive!

(note: the only game I can't play is Valorant, but that's the same on Windows, too, as it requires secure boot)

This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90's.

Who cares.

Folks that're going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.

I mean moving from linux now is a bit like moving from reddit back when they screwed with the api. I don't care really if other people do but its long past due that I move along. Should have done it years ago.

If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without self respect.

"it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless"

I can understand if the game they play is online and it has an anti-cheat that makes it uncompatible with Linux. (Mainly game devs not allowing Linux to work). Otherwise, my experince with gaming on Linux has been pretty good

It's pretty hard switch. I have a high interest in Linux, and I have 100% game compatibility. But I'm always running into issues that are so bad I have to abandon ship. I broken Ubuntu, Nobara, Debian, OpenSuse, and EndeavorOS. Truly Linux isn't ready for newbies.

Why does it matter? All that matters is that plenty of people do use Linux - literally millions of people. There is a healthy vibrant ecosystem of distros, and devs working on Linux.

I don't care if people aren't interested in Linux. I'm much more interested in ensuring those people who choose Linux are happy because that is good for all.of us.

And the best thing anyone can do is donate to the projects they care about. That helps projects fund development and support. It's much more useful than trying to convince people to try Linux when they have no real interest in it.

Hey it’s just like EVs or any other new technologies. The enthusiasts or believers will dive in first and deal with all the complicated setups. If it is actually better, these enthusiasts will form a company or already be a company who will create a product that will dominate the industry because they have a better product. Valve is definitely setup to be that company with the funds and competitive reasons to compete with Microsoft (windows/xbox store vs steam store). Steam store is their money maker but they face risks from Microsoft. Luckily Microsoft has to be careful due to antitrust issues because of their size, ie, Apple Store.

Be a cheerleader, encourage these people to take the dive. If you’re hating on people who want their stuff to just work you’ll never grow to get the casual pc / gamer user. Change is hard, most people are not looking to tinker.