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My path to veganism has more to do with refusing to be poisoned by the corporate clowns that don't care they're killing us all with listeria and microplastics in EVERYTHING and a supply chain that I refuse to depend on.

It shouldn't be unreasonable to buy and consume healthy vegetables from a normal store but it gets harder every day. My means of survival will not be affected by recalls and cross contamination, corporate greed, or animal slavery.

IMO- Our survival will depend on our ability to take back control from companies that would sell us our doom with a shiny ribbon wrapped around it. Self-sustainable veganism is my bet for our future and I'm doing everything I can to bring it to reality as quickly as I can.

If everyone made an effort we’d live in a completely different world almost over night.

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This statement (about everyone single personal effort) only becomes meaningful when you take into consideration why people don't. If you do, you will encounter the dialectics of structure and "personal choice" and how complicated history is and how it is not at all about "everybody make a small change in their life".

The liberal feverdream of individual solutions for structural problems is bound to end up in "I buy good groceries".

And, eventhough veganism is a good thing to do, this is why I'm personally so annoyed by vegan communities.

I dont know if reducing your personal sin count or whatever is a substitute for radical critique and political action, or an add-on, so I didn't downvote. But maybe it explains some of it.

You literally called the vegans in lemmy communities "veganazis" and I'm not going to let that slide, it is not ok.

No it does not prove your point, I did not address "militant" vegans and "sane" vegans because I think your thoughts on this are reactionary bullshit. I don't think you've even been in the vegan lemmy communities, because vegans are actual people with different views and you only want to talk about a stereotype carnists use to whine. You want nuance but don't give it to vegans. Why? I mean you're either a troll or misguided.

I have a non-vegan/carnist SO, I'm not the only one that dates non-vegans. My family is non-vegan. My friends in RL are all non-vegan. You apparently know all about my life even though I have never tried to convert people into a "cult" or shunned people for not being vegan. I have only talked about veganism when it is prompted, like when people were curious why I decided to switch or online when the subject comes up. Different vegans have different approaches to things. Some vegans only date other vegans, after the bullshit I've gone through with my non-vegan/carnist SO I can see why.

I felt you leaned reactionary due to your take on veganism but replied anyway in good faith because your use of the word Nazi was unacceptable. Why is it a cult to not eat meat? Why am I the Nazi for wanting the animals to stop dying? The answer to me is that people who eat meat can get incredibly defensive when you point out that it is messed up what happens to animals so that they can eat meat from the grocery store. It is bad for the environment too. In order to deflect from this revelation they decide their behavior is not the problem, it is the "militant" vegans in a "cult" thinking they are better than everyone that is the problem. This is all reactionary thinking. I've only seen this reaction online and once in person. I would love for everyone to be a vegan but I know it is not realistic. It is not a matter of how vegans communicate, it is how people process their justification for eating meat. You can be as sweet as possible about being vegan and a carnist will still spit in your face. They don't want to hear about veganism, they frankly don't give a shit about animals no matter how you deliver the message to them.

Now you’re gaslighting the person responding to your comment, that’s very bad faith troll behaviour.