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I remember when I was growing up, tech industry has so many people that were admirable, and you wanted to aspire to be in life. Bill Gates, founders of Google Larry Page, Sergey brin, Steve Jobs (wasn't perfect but on a surface level, he was still at least a pretty decent guy), basically everyone involved in gaming from Xbox to PlayStation and so on, Tom from MySpace... So many admirable people who were actually really great....

Now, people are just trash. Look at Mark Zuckerberg who leads Facebook. Dude is a lizard man, anytime you think he has shown some character growth he does something truly horrible and illegal that he should be thrown in prison for. For example, he's been buying up properties in Hawaii and basically stealing them from the locals. He's basically committing human rights violations by violating the culture of Hawaiian natives and their land deeds that are passed down from generation to generation. He has been systematically stealing them and building a wall on Hawaii, basically a f*cking colonizer. That's what the guy is. I thought he was a good upstanding person until I learned all these things about him

Current CEO of Google is peak dirtbag. Dude has no interest in the company or it's success at all, his only concern is patting his pockets while he is there as CEO, and appeasing the shareholders. He has zero interest in helping or making anyone's life pleasant at the company. Truly a dirtbag in every way.

Current CEO of Home Depot, which I now consider a tech company because they have moved out of retail and into the online space and they are rapidly restructuring their entire business around online sales, that dude is a total piece of work conservative racist. I remember working for this company, This dude's entire focus is eliminating as many people as feasibly possible from working in the store, making their life living heck, does not see people as human beings at all. Just wants to eliminate anyone and everyone they possibly can, think they are a slave labor force

Elon musk, we all know about him, don't need to really say much. Every time you think he's doing something good for society, he proves you wrong And does the worst thing he can possibly do in that situation. It's like he's specifically trying to make the world the worst place possible everyday

Like, damn. What the heck happened to the world? You know? I thought the tech industry was supposed to be filled with these brilliant genius people who are really good for the world...

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[–] DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Capitalism rewards psychopathy

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Complete explanation in three words. Well done.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 0 points 3 months ago
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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"I thought the tech industry was supposed to be filled with these brilliant genius people who are really good for the world…"

They are but as usual it's the WORKERS who are the good brilliant people, not the ownership class and 3 letter executive dirt bags. They're the same in EVERY industry. Owner/CEO ONLY cares about profit profit profit, fuck everyone and everything else.

Workers, they're a mixed bag as there are so many different people, but in the tech space they're generally intelligent "good" people.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The workers also just care for profits. Nobody is working for free. Everyone needs to pay their bills. Companies will stop making profits when workers dispense with their wages, but I bet that's not gonna happen.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Technically workers do not care about profits, they care about wages. The average worker doesn't benefit from profit because they represent a fixed expense. The work they produce is worth more than their salary which is how a company produces profit. As long as a company breaks even and the salary is enough to meet one's needs a worker does just fine. However a worker's job could easily be axed in the name of profit because they are what is being profited off of, not the entitled beneficiary of the business as a whole.

Profit it just the take home winnings of the investors or owners of the business and the few jobs at the top where compensation is based off of profit percentage or lavish bonuses for making the targets.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 0 points 3 months ago

So many people don't understand that profit comes after all expenses which includes labor. :/

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Wages are also subject to change based on performance or company profits.

But what I mean is that the company and the worker have the same interests in some way. Everyone wants to make money to pay the bills. Companies are no charities and your work isn't either. If you dislike your relationship with the company, you can just resign that relationship any time. But one thing will never change: the worker will only do the work required from him and the company will only pay the wage required from them. There is nothing evil about that. It's human nature for the past 20.000 years.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Idk, given how many evil mobile games and dark patterns there are, there are plenty of "bad" people, or at least people who won't push back against bad decisions from management.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Nobody is going to "push back" very hard against the people who control their food, shelter, and other basic human needs. If they had that level of comfort, they wouldn't be working there in the first place.

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[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for letting me know about Zuck’s behaviour in Hawaii . I was unaware, and should be as a person of the pacific. What a disgusting imperialist culture destroyer and pig. As with many first nation cultures, to Polynesians land is sacred and we are a part of it , maybe guardians of it , more so than any possible ownership over it which is a ridiculous nonsensical concept. Was it not enough that he has compromised international democracy with his extremely dubious contributions to humanity. These sociopathic siliconvalley billionaires really are a scourge. This isn't exclusive to tech though.

As for your overall point, I never particularly admired any corporate characters in tech. All in all I believe the whole sector is overvalued and its importance in life is way over emphasised - the social platforms, and google particularly are overinflated advertising businesses and so of course their self importance has been trumpeted loudly..by themselves and everyone who hitched their giddy advertising budgets to the illusory service provided. Barely as effective as traditional advertising of a century ago. They’ve constructed a panopticon we have trouble looking away from - they even want us to wear goggles to shoe us banners wr cant look away from, to sell us their own useless trinkets.

I believe we should think of the so called tech industry as merely a single component in whatever sector of life it happens to provide a product or service to. Not as a single industry but as a small department of weirdos running say the plumbing (though actual plumbing is arguably more important) with a dingy office in the basement. The cEOs of these are merely the hated bloated bosses of the ones really doing the work. But we should also judge their utility objectively. Sure some aspects are useful in some specific ways. But how useful really? What has the net gain been to humanity of gadget x, or platform Y , or pseudo-sub-industry z? What real energy has it consumed in order to solve what problem(s)? What has the human cost been? They don't think in these terms but we actual humans should.

By the way I work in a tech area, in a small way. I like to think I speak from an angle of some experience with the way I’ve seen some behave, and the irreverant way some customers treat their ‘vendors’. The aura of the tech world is a cult-like bubble which each of these corporations create for themselves , and fledgling startups clamour for, and when clustered as one concept adds up to a massive bubble of hot stinking gas begging to pop.

Unfortunately concepts of value in our economy rarely match their true usefulness. The market is always correct and self corrects, apparently. I look forward to it, but the actual steps forward can be hard to appreciate with all the noise in that hype filled graph.

Also, and this isn’t exclusive to tech, corporations behave like psychopaths due to their narrow goals , profit being the main one, so the characters who float to the top of this septic system of single minded psychopathy tend to be sociopathic due to what they have needed to do to get there. Perhaps for tech this is more a late stage thing, in contrast to our memories of the romantic early days having been more about scrappy boffins soldering things in their parents garage. Now its about whipping up misconceptions in order to raise copious amounts of (mispent) capital in order to make…a smartphone app based ‘platform’ that provides solutions to problems we don't have. So long as the pitch had “A.I” in each sentence.

So yeh, that this environment has resulted in some psychos with a disproportionate amount of money (and therefore political clout) is not a surprise.

To varying degrees if we live in democracies, we are all responsible for creating these monsters. It’s our responsibility to do something about it. Such as raising awareness -as you have done, choosing alternatives, thinking about whether a tech option really is necessary in your life (e.g choosing Amazon over your local independent bookstore), in your workplace (if you have any power here: atleast expressing an alternative method, or solution to your colleagues or managers), and holding tech providers to some level of account at the least with your skepticism. And obviously boycotting what you can. Also remaining hyper aware of the scammy nature of much of the so called sector in its business practices.

I never trusted Tom from myspace as a default insta friend, but he now does seem quaint . But the tech industry is not really an industry and it definitely isn't the world.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

At its very core, capitalism breeds greed.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Tech is just the most visible industry right now. Look at any other major corporations and you'll find the same.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (12 children)

You haven't named a decent person in your post.

The Google founders are simply more secretive in their lifestyles compared to Musk. They dropped the "Don't Be Evil" motto a long time ago.

[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Don't be evil came from an ad agency that did tobacco ads.

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[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 0 points 3 months ago

I can't really say whether any of the people you've listed are actually more or less "evil" than one another but in terms of why they present differently, there are a couple of factors I can think of.

One is the changing state of the tech industry. Data and attention are the most valuable commodities now, so these businesses are designed to be aggressively anti-consumer. There is also less big investment now and/or companies are required to pay back their investments quicker, which has degraded the quality of their products and services. Google's big decline is heavily related to this, for example.

The other aspect is the rise of the culture war shit in the US. Most of the people you listed are American or live in the US, and people there have completely rotted their brains with that shit. It's infecting the rest of the West as well but if you want to see what a genuinely retarded nation looks like, the US is where it's at.

I suspect if you swapped these groups of people between their relative eras you'd be disappointed in how similar they turn out.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They still exist and they're just as unheard of as the unsung heroes who brought us the digital revolution of the 20th century.

Alan Turing, Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Gary Kildall, the list goes on. At least Torvalds and Stallman got some recognition for what they did within there respective communities, even if the latter is a bit of a creep.

All of those people where far more important to computing, and far less famous. Just like how no one really thinks about the developers holding up the open source projects which function as the bedrock of our modern society. They're more interested in company heads than actual technologists, or more accurate, that's what the people in power are more interested in.

Actual engineers tend to have pesky things like morals and ethics.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (11 children)

bill gates was like, one of the worst of the worst. Dude literally broke the law, and then settled to avoid paying for acquiring fees.

They have never been good.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago

It's the same reason why hip hops sucks in '96

The answer is at 0:24

[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can look back to Lee Iacocca. The Ford Pintos caught on fire because he sat back at his desk and laughed at the engineers who wanted to add a safety bar back there, the car had to be 2000 dollars no matter what.

Then he was at Chrysler and pioneered the idea that CEOs could set their own bonuses. At the time it was a shocking idea, called unethical.

Now the personal tech world comes along....

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Leaders tend towards evil. Early in a technology there’s space for innovators to wind up on top, that allows for some morality agnostic advancement. But as time goes on you find yourself led by those who sought leadership, those whose ruthlessness enabled leadership, and those who’ve been in leadership long enough to have had it damage their morality.

Tech is no longer new and fancy, it’s no longer a space where a few people with an idea can wind up in charge of something valuable. It’s an established industry led by investors and businesspeople, their concerns are not for your benefit and even if they are your experiences are so alien to them that they will try to assist using the frameworks they think in, ones of hierarchy, investment, and other capitalistic and paternalistic world views. But most don’t care, they think they do, they think competition raises everyone, and in the off chance they feel a twinge of guilt about their victims that’s what they tell themselves.

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