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Personally I find quantum computers really impressive, and they havent been given its righteous hype.

I know they won't be something everyone has in their house but it will greatly improve some services.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Pretty much on the blue line. They cost a lot of money for being barely functional, and it’s not clear whether they’ll ever be anything more

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Amazing computational speedups if you regularly use any of these incredibly specific algorithms. Otherwise useless.

Quantum as a service may exist as a business.

[–] bunchberry@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Uh... one of those algorithms in your list is literally for speeding up linear algebra. Do you think just because it sounds technical it's "businessy"? All modern technology is technical, that's what technology is. It would be like someone saying, "GPUs would be useless to regular people because all they mainly do is speed up matrix multiplication. Who cares about that except for businesses?" Many of these algorithms here offer potential speedup for linear algebra operations. That is the basis of both graphics and AI. One of those algorithms is even for machine learning in that list. There are various algorithms for potentially speeding up matrix multiplication in the linear. It's huge for regular consumers... assuming the technology could ever progress to come to regular consumers.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

literally for speeding up linear algebra

For a sparse matrix where you don't need the values of the solution vector.

I.e. a very specific use case.

Quantum computers will be called from libraries that apply very specific subroutines for very specific problems.

Consumers may occasionally call a quantum subroutine in a cloud environment. I very much doubt we will have a quantum chip in our phone.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but, quantum TPM or TPU chips would allow for far more complex encryption. So you'd likely have a portiion of the SOC with a quantum bus or some other function.

However you're correct that it'd take a seachange in computing for a qbit based OS

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Strong, post quantum encryption doesn't require quantum computers. It uses different mathematical objects (e.g. matrices)

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

True. However there is still a usecase. You could sign a cert for uefi much like a payment would. Useful for distributed compute.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39519-w

[–] bunchberry@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Why are you isolating a single algorithm? There are tons of them that speed up various aspects of linear algebra and not just that single one, and many improvements to these algorithms since they were first introduced, there are a lot more in the literature than just in the popular consciousness.

The point is not that it will speed up every major calculation, but these are calculations that could be made use of, and there will likely even be more similar algorithms discovered if quantum computers are more commonplace. There is a whole branch of research called quantum machine learning that is centered solely around figuring out how to make use of these algorithms to provide performance benefits for machine learning algorithms.

If they would offer speed benefits, then why wouldn't you want to have the chip that offers the speed benefits in your phone? Of course, in practical terms, we likely will not have this due to the difficulty and expense of quantum chips, and the fact they currently have to be cooled below to near zero degrees Kelvin. But your argument suggests that if somehow consumers could have access to technology in their phone that would offer performance benefits to their software that they wouldn't want it.

That just makes no sense to me. The issue is not that quantum computers could not offer performance benefits in theory. The issue is more about whether or not the theory can be implemented in practical engineering terms, as well as a cost-to-performance ratio. The engineering would have to be good enough to both bring the price down and make the performance benefits high enough to make it worth it.

It is the same with GPUs. A GPU can only speed up certain problems, and it would thus be even more inefficient to try and force every calculation through the GPU. You have libraries that only call the GPU when it is needed for certain calculations. This ends up offering major performance benefits and if the price of the GPU is low enough and the performance benefits high enough to match what the consumers want, they will buy it. We also have separate AI chips now as well which are making their way into some phones. While there's no reason at the current moment to believe we will see quantum technology shrunk small and cheap enough to show up in consumer phones, if hypothetically that was the case, I don't see why consumers wouldn't want it.

I am sure clever software developers would figure out how to make use of them if they were available like that. They likely will not be available like that any time in the near future, if ever, but assuming they are, there would probably be a lot of interesting use cases for them that have not even been thought of yet. They will likely remain something largely used by businesses but in my view it will be mostly because of practical concerns. The benefits of them won't outweigh the cost anytime soon.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why are you isolating a single algorithm?

To show that quantum computing only helps with very specific parts of very specific algorithms.

A QC is not a CPU, it's not a GPU, it's closer to a superpowered FPU.

If they would offer speed benefits, then why wouldn't you want to have the chip that offers the speed benefits in your phone?

if somehow consumers could have access to technology in their phone that would offer performance benefits to their software that they wouldn't want it.

Because the same functionality would be available as a cloud service (like AI now). This reduces costs and the need to carry liquid nitrogen around.

The issue is not that quantum computers could not offer performance benefits in theory.

It is this. QC only enhances some very specific tasks.

It is the same with GPUs. A GPU can only speed up certain problems. You have libraries that only call the GPU when it is needed for certain calculations.

Yes, exactly my point. QC is a less flexible GPU.

I don't see why consumers wouldn't want it.

Because they would need to use the specific quantum enhanced algorithms frequently enough to pay to have local, always on access.

They will likely remain something largely used by businesses but in my view it will be mostly because of practical concerns. The benefits of them won't outweigh the cost anytime soon.

Agree. Unless some magic tech, like room temperature superconductors, turns up there will only be quantum as a service supplied for some very specific business needs.

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[–] theilleists@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm so dreadfully sorry. I cannot help myself. Please forgive me.

It's "zero kelvins" not "zero degrees Kelvin."

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Either somewhere on the far left, and we'll see some actual breakthrough with major impact in the future which actually gets hyped, or on the far right and it already happened, it was just too niche for anyone other than a specific small group to notice.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the big breakthrough was in cryptography, and yeah, most people don't care. All of your passwords will be useless against brute force attacks in 10-15 years from it tho!

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But we already have quantum proof passwords nowadays.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even "quantum proof" passwords are trivially broken if quantum computers allow us to practically solve p=np.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's a pretty big assumption though, and even then you can just switch to a new password format that allows for passwords that aren't solvable using mathematical means. e.g. my password is to fill in a picture on 10x10 grid using 10 different colours. There's no mathematical basis to guess my picture and there are more posibilites than there are particles in the observable universe.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

It's no more an assumption than "Our current quantum-proof passwords are secure against a type of computer that is entirely conceptual at current time."

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Quantum computers don’t lie: it’s not like thawed can run generative ai

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

The answer for that exists as a superposition of multiple possibilities but as soon as somebody manages to read it it will decohere into just the one.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Quantum computers are now where neural nets were in the 1980s.

[–] And009@reddthat.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good reference to compare with, but any sources?

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

It's just an opinion

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