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TL;DR

  • Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.
  • The custom ROM project characterizes Google’s approach to device attestation as incomplete and flawed.
  • Graphene OS is prepared to take legal action if Google won’t let it pass Play Integrity checks.
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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.

I call those "apps not worth using"

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're right on that, but we can't expect everyone to act the same and ditch such apps all at once. So, it's very important to point the issue out and take action to stop it.

[–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Until the app in question is your banking app

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I have a still very capable for my needs "once flagship" stock Samsung phone that is now about 7 years old. I still have a good 2-5 years use with this thing based on hardware performance alone. Google and others have started to conspire to make "1000 cuts" with artificial app compatibility "issues" and the like that try to force my hand to upgrade HW. Most would buy a new phone, but this will inspire me to dig back into the custom Rom flashing of my youth, to get the next 2-5 years I'm deserved from this hardware.

Thank you to all the hardworking people that drive the ROM community to this day.

[–] androidisking@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Here's a harsh truth and a reality some tech users need to wake up to.

Google has never cared about open-source. They have never cared about user-choice/user freedom. They could easily tomorrow make Android closed-source and that would be the end of Android. It has always been about control. Apple got that authoritarian idea correct long ago by locking down the entire OS.

Google is allowing open-source modding only because there's a large community out there that cares and wants it to thrive. And since it runs on Linux, it would make Google look VERY bad if they removed bootloader unlocking, open source, removed features that causes issues for custom roms.

Google doesn't care you YOU. If they really cared, they wouldn't be slowly removing features or adding anti-user features that in the long run, don't benefit anyone but them.

I'm glad the government declared them a convicted monopoly. I'm still ashamed it took them this long to finally go through with it.

What an insane world we live in.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

There is another side to this coin though,

Android roms took googles work. The community could have assisted with other mobile os systems like Firefox OS or Ubuntu mobile but didn't.

Instead ROM developers wanted a cookie cutter solution.

In practice, Android is actually fairly open. Republicans have a weird obsession with Google (remember that weird hearing where they clearly didn't understand technology). You can even disable the inbuilt apps

This could lead to a situation like windows where 50 popups are added. It's could backfire and it benefits Apple a lot. That's what I'm concerned about. I'm worried that I'll end up paying for Gmail or more for Android. And Google will get blamed for it

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[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We’ve started the process of talking to regulators and they’re interested.

Oh that's great, they aren't actually suing since that would be a pretty big money pit, they are going straight to regulators, something can happen.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

FTC act is the most useful against this sort of behavior and only the FTC can file suit for that, not individual companies. I don't think this could be filed as a violation of the Sherman act. See here for an overview: https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/antitrust-laws

[–] ArkyonVeil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

I've been tired of "modern" security doing nothing but annoy people. Recently, a Portuguese bank "innovated" by exclusively allowing login only on a mobile device. Yes, a clean web browser with 3FA is not "secure" enough, has to be done on a mobile device. Clearly, desktop PCs are too insecure to conduct transactions.

Therefore, because one does not trust their mobile device. One simply spun up a clean Pixel VM, shared my data with Google and just did their work there. Peak security.

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I wish you could slap a custom rom on whatever phone you want and it Just Works™ like you can slap linux on any PC, but instead we get apps that potentially don't work, locked bootloaders, push notifications tied to Google Play Services, and whatever else. You can put Lineage on the EU version of my phone but not the US version because fuck you. I hate how corpo centric phones have become. Like Google shouldn't be allowed to hijack my entire screen for an ad or an app update. The entire modern definition of "sideloading" is BS, apps have access by default to things that they really don't need, and why do I need to use ADB to purge your pre-installed bloatware ffs

Not cool.

[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah it would’ve been like that for pcs too if they weren’t around for quite longer.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

ngl a unlocked bootloader would be a security nightmare but you can put any rom on any android 8+ device they are called gsi roms

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[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

We can get same experience quite soon on laptops too when arm laptops&desktop will arrive toensd users.It gonna be lock down same as phones nowdays.

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