this post was submitted on 01 Aug 2024
56 points (100.0% liked)

Gaming

30573 readers
166 users here now

From video gaming to card games and stuff in between, if it's gaming you can probably discuss it here!

Please Note: Gaming memes are permitted to be posted on Meme Mondays, but will otherwise be removed in an effort to allow other discussions to take place.

See also Gaming's sister community Tabletop Gaming.

This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
alyaza@beehaw.org
TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org
gyrfalcon@beehaw.org
Whom@beehaw.org
The_Hunted_One@beehaw.org
chloyster@beehaw.org
remington@beehaw.org
56
Braid Anniversary Edition has ‘sold like dog sh*t’, creator Jonathan Blow says (www.videogameschronicle.com)
submitted 3 months ago by theangriestbird@beehaw.org to c/gaming@beehaw.org
41 comments fedilink hide all child comments
top 41 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] kajib@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 3 months ago

I absolutely adore this game, but imo it's a terrible candidate for a remaster. The graphics were already stylized so I doubt a graphics update would make much difference. It's a puzzle game so the replayability is already low. And I can't imagine that developer commentary get people excited about buying the game again.

I wish this was successful, but I can see why this went sideways.

[–] tomato@beehaw.org 54 points 3 months ago

This is probably one of the last games that needed a remaster. Everyone knew that besides Jonathan Blow it seems.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I played Braid ages ago, and it was okay. I can see it being influential when it first came out when there wasn't many indie games.

Don't think I really want to play it again though - it told it's story and that was that. Unless it adds tons more levels or something, I'm not sure what value the remaster adds.

It's sadly one of many "platformers with interesting mechanics but slow and clunky controls" that the industry has moved away from.

[–] pushka@beehaw.org 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've only heard of the creator making official statements a few times - but they were all like "im the only person in the world making a game that completely innovates its genre every time" and "my remaster is selling like dog-shit"

I took one videogame design class, and the lecturer was like - this guy is a massive douche, but his game is amazing, so he's allowed to be~

[–] YuzuDrink@beehaw.org 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Having worked as a game designer, I humbly disagree with your instructor. No amount of brilliance or success makes it okay for someone to be ac douche

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah, agreed. You can appreciate the art and still think the guy is a douche who people shouldn't have to put up with

[–] SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I had no idea it was even released.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep. Wanted to see if I wasn't alone with this

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah this title wasn't begging for a remaster.

It was interesting, at the time, but far more interesting, thoughtful, and artistic indie games have popped up since.

It's artstyle isn't as unique as it was on release, nor is the gameplay. It's no small wonder it did not do well.

This guy must have been huffing his own farts thinking this was a good time and market to do it in.

It's never been tougher for indie games, and people are outright bored by linear narratives. Braid is presented with events out-of-order but it still tells a linear story.

Much more complex narratives exist now, and Braid just can't compete on that level.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm rather unfamiliar with this game and even I know a remaster would not have done well

[–] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It has an engine that permits recording and "rewinding" gameplay, with a lot of interesting quirks, like elements that don't rewind. Puzzle platformer based on that.

It was a fascinating thing technically, and the creator did a lot with that capability. But IMHO it's not otherwise exceptional, like graphically or such.

[–] Tearcell@mastodon.gamedev.place 7 points 3 months ago

@tal @Jimbo truly something special back in 09 or whenever it was released. The twist ending and mind screwy real end were super unexpected back then .

Today nothing really to write home about. It's all been done and built on already.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago

That's fair. I played the game once and then had enough. Don't see a need to play it again

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Tried braid and got bored real quick.

Tried fez and didn't even continue past the first 30 min

Tried Undertale, but basically knew the story already from spoilers, and it was kinda boring, uninteresting and too hard.

Played Crashlands and it was a grindfest that actually made me relieved that I finished the game, only to discover it was planet 1 of 3. 👉Uninstalled.

Really enjoyed fear and hunger despite being shit at the game and ended up just cheating. (Was still freaking hard 😭)

Finished and enjoyed Limbo.

I just want a game with a great story, a gameplay with medium low difficulty that isn't a grindfest and isn't too long ( usually caused by the endless grinding).

[–] Bldck@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Check out Spiritfarer. I loved it

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 5 points 3 months ago

I finished that last week, and yeah, it’s wonderful.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I just want a game with a great story, a gameplay with medium low difficulty that isn’t a grindfest and isn’t too long

you've described like 60% of all popular indie games. are you coming here seeking recommendations? what genre?

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Rpg or platformer.

The only way I can access games is by pirating them and I don't pirate indie games unless they already pretty successful and it wouldn't hurt them. Yeah, even that 2.99$ is too much when you live in shitty third world country.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i respect that, homie. Have you spent a lot of time with retro games? I think there might be a lot in that category that fit your wheelhouse, but I don't want to start rattling them off if you don't have an interest there.

For RPG, you could try something like Sea of Stars, Night in the Woods, or Transistor. For platformers, you could try out Celeste (with assist modes), Inside (from the Limbo people), Sonic Mania, A Hat in Time, or Pizza Tower. I could think of some bigger games as well, but not sure what kind of hardware you're working with.

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I actually enjoy retro gaming. Earthbound and mother 3 are my favorite games! The professor Layton serie is also great! The thing is, while retro games are a huge source of "free" games, they're often too hard. I also found myself falling in a rabbit hole with an entire generation of retro games that nobody cares about anymore despite being full of great games : flip phone java games" (j2me). I highly recommend trying them if you want to play games on your phone without being thrown a billion ad and microtransactions. Just play the touchscreen variants and your golden. Some good games are : doom RPG 2 and Wolfenstein RPG, literally any game by digital chocolate.

thanks a lot for recommandation, sea of stars and pizza tower look 👌! and yeah my machine isn't capable to run bigger 3d games. Lol.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
  • The Last Campfire
  • Journey
  • GRIS
  • Night in the Woods

Have fun!

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ooh Night in the Woods was good.

Gregg rulz ok

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago

Die Anywhere Else is forever a banger

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago

Knife fight!!!

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 4 points 3 months ago

I loved To The Moon, which fits your requirements, I think. The sequels are fine, but the stories are pretty well standalone, so you could play just the first one and leave it at that. And it’s only £1.70.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Would recommend Chrono Trigger, as the story progresses you get stronger as you progress naturally even though there is an XP system.

[–] tomato@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Chrono Trigger in fact is a grindfest as beating the game without doing all equipment related sidequests is very hard and for most people - impossible. Additionally I also consider figuring out and searching for stuff in jRPGs as a grind.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Heh? It didn't feel like a grindfest for me at all. I just look around a lot while playing in general, and i recall there being quite a lot of loot available everywhere i walked. Maybe it's because of the way i played it idk

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I never played it but you may as well add Firewatch to your list.

Check out Kentucky Route Zero it seems to be what you're looking for, maybe.

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago

I'm hit or miss when it comes to walking sim games but I really enjoyed firewatch

[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 3 months ago

if you liked LIMBO you should definitely play INSIDE

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Always wanted to try this. I might have to grab this when i have an extra $20

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 11 points 3 months ago

it's great as a piece of historical intrigue, but as others have said here, some of it just does not hold up. Controls are a little clunky, and the story is fine but no longer nearly as interesting or surprising as it was back in 2008. Nowadays, you can't go to Steam without tripping over 3 indie puzzle platformers with better controls and story. I think the puzzle design probably still holds up, but i haven't played recently so i can't say for sure.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Dang, it has a dev commentary? I think that’s worth replaying for. I’ll have to pick it up… sometime!

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's funny because that actually makes me want it less. Jonathon Blow is infamous for getting high off his own farts.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Oh absolutely, I just listened to the clip and he said they did commentary “at a much more thorough level than anybody’s ever done it” 🤔 I wonder how that could possibly be true

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

it's just Blow doing DMT and talking about how no one ever thought of time rewind mechanics before him. Joe Rogan is there for some reason.

[–] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I was wondering where I recognized his name! He also made the Witness, and had similar complaints about his audience

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago

Sounds like he really misunderstood the old "customer is always right" adage.

[–] away2thestars@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

This news has definitely given him some sales for sure