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Amazon failed to adequately alert more than 300,000 customers to serious risks—including death and electrocution—that US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) testing found with more than 400,000 products that third parties sold on its platform.

The CPSC unanimously voted to hold Amazon legally responsible for third-party sellers' defective products. Now, Amazon must make a CPSC-approved plan to properly recall the dangerous products—including highly flammable children's pajamas, faulty carbon monoxide detectors, and unsafe hair dryers that could cause electrocution—which the CPSC fears may still be widely used in homes across America.

While Amazon scrambles to devise a plan, the CPSC summarized the ongoing risks to consumers:

If the [products] remain in consumers’ possession, children will continue to wear sleepwear garments that could ignite and result in injury or death; consumers will unwittingly rely on defective [carbon monoxide] detectors that will never alert them to the presence of deadly carbon monoxide in their homes; and consumers will use the hair dryers they purchased, which lack immersion protection, in the bathroom near water, leaving them vulnerable to electrocution.

Instead of recalling the products, which were sold between 2018 and 2021, Amazon sent messages to customers that the CPSC said "downplayed the severity" of hazards.

In these messages—"despite conclusive testing that the products were hazardous" by the CPSC—Amazon only warned customers that the products "may fail" to meet federal safety standards and only "potentially" posed risks of "burn injuries to children," "electric shock," or "exposure to potentially dangerous levels of carbon monoxide."

Typically, a distributor would be required to specifically use the word "recall" in the subject line of these kinds of messages, but Amazon dodged using that language entirely. Instead, Amazon opted to use much less alarming subject lines that said, "Attention: Important safety notice about your past Amazon order" or "Important safety notice about your past Amazon order."

Amazon then left it up to customers to destroy products and explicitly discouraged them from making returns. The e-commerce giant also gave every affected customer a gift card without requiring proof of destruction or adequately providing public notice or informing customers of actual hazards, as can be required by law to ensure public safety.

Further, Amazon's messages did not include photos of the defective products, as required by law, and provided no way for customers to respond. The commission found that Amazon "made no effort" to track how many items were destroyed or even do the minimum of monitoring the "number of messages that were opened."

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[–] ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Try using mathematical triangle recursive algorithms in geometric Octave code to protect against them. Don't approach unusual electronics in general at this time.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)
[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

*car fuses. But yeah, I don't wanna be burned inside a car.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Its still an electrical fuse regardless of whether it goes into a car or a plug

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

The e-commerce giant also gave every affected customer a gift card without requiring proof of destruction or adequately providing public notice or informing customers of actual hazards, as can be required by law to ensure public safety.

I was supposed to get a gift card?? I didn’t get a freakin gift card, I have to destroy it and submit a bunch of evidence to the manufacturer to get a refund.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

we went from the amazon is burning to i am burning because of amazon

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 0 points 3 months ago

🎵 It's the ciiiircle of liiiiiife... 🎵

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nitpick: Electrocution is killing, by definition. (Perhaps they meant shock?)

[–] jago@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not a nitpick to know the meaning of the words we use, and how to use them. ashley.belanger@arstechnica.com and the arstechnica editors should know better.

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[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I know cheep electronics are fun but please buy UL Listed stuff

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Tons of stuff on Amazon just print fake UL listing logos and numbers.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Which means don't buy electronics on Amazon because you can't usually tell from the listing and if it is, it could just be counterfeit.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Given that there appear to be plenty of overseas sellers that will happily counterfeit a UL stamp, or copy an entire product - including UL stamp - but with different innards, how would we even know at this point?

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There needs to be some serious fines for amazon when they fail to recall and remove unsafe products.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How about bathing the fucking turd Bezos with twenty faulty hairdryers that they failed to recall?

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He's not CEO any more. Andy Jassy is.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Okay, do it to them both. They're both complicit.

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[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I'm on the fence about this. I slightly subscribe to the conspiracy theory that many "certified" products are just ways to stifle competition while also justifying higher prices for "certified" products.

Take UL listed electronics for example. Sure, that might mean something on a full computer full of electronics, but a lamp is two fucking wires and a bulb. It's not complicated. Even confirming proper metals are used to prevent shrinking and expansion is not complicated. But the same $15 lamp is $100 once it's UL certified. The math doesn't add up.

Like I said: On the fence. Maybe it's the best way to ensure safe products, but it also seems like a great system for lining specific peoples pockets.

[–] Wizzard@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You clearly haven't seen how bad "no-consequences cheap" can be with even simple electronics. Your lamp, for example:

Melting (under-spec or poor construction) AC wiring, poor material for the cord, switch or socket.

Melting / burning lampshade (yes, even with LEDs).

Electrocution risk - Loose connections, easily broken plug or lamp socket, switch, inappropriate (conductive) materials.**

And that's not even considering larger-design problems - Lamps that are prone to falling over (and breaking, or melting other things), lamps that flex but not too much or they break exposing problems above, assemblies that aren't reasonably child-proof, RF interference even.

The race to the bottom without rules is a dangerous place for the consumer expecting a bare minimum guarantee of fitness while inviting these products into their home, not to mention those most often buying the cheapest option may be the most vulnerable.

[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dear Mr. High & Mighty, I've actually seen all those things - on UL certified devices.

But again, not my point. My point was a lamp isn't complicated enough for the UL to charge so much that the price goes up 10x. If they are charging that much, there should be tons of competitors trying to get a piece of that pie. If they aren't charging alot, then many of the products on Amazon, that are often certified by authorities in other countries, would also get UL certified. It has all the hallmarks of a racket.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I see you learned your discussion skills from the Donald Trump School of Bullshiting.

[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You mean by people disagreeing with me on points I never made?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but a lamp is two fucking wires and a bulb. It’s not complicated.

And yet, companies can and will cut corners whenever they can. Using too thin of wire or the wrong type of plastic can cause a fire. Cheap switches, bad insulators for the bulb socket are also things that they'll cut corners on.

[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's not really the point I was going for. I'm not saying bad companies won't make shit products. I'm just pointing out a lamp doesn't require alot of effort for the UL to certify, so it can't justify a 10x increase in cost. But they must be charging a ton or more companies would just get their products certified.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I don't know where you're getting the idea that UL certified goods are super expensive. UL is the bare minimum. I have a $10 UL certified lamp on my desk right now. Certifications like TUV and similar are the more expensive ones.

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

UL certification can mean different things, depending on the product and type of mark. It also isn't that expensive to get UL listed as it isn't like every single item you produce is tested. Each product you design is tested, but not each item you produce.

There are 3/4 types. UL listed, UL recognized, and UL classified. Certified is newer and more stringent.

  • Recognized is mostly for machinery and components within machinery. It isn't terribly difficult to get, but annoying. I have dealt with this type as we design and build electrical panels. Usually you hand the design to a panel builder and they will get it certified before delivery.
  • Listed is for products and appliances, and is fully tested for safety. This applies to most consumer electronics.
  • Certified Enhanced is also for products, and you can read up on it here: https://www.ul.com/news/qa-uls-enhanced-certification-mark
  • Classified is for products and is half ass tested. All it means is that some requirements for UL were tested and passed, but not all.

If a product is Classified by UL, this can mean its testing meets the particular requirements for a single test with a published result, but has nothing to do with all the other tests that may form part of a Standard (i.e., UL 181).

As for pricing for UL listed, it can be just a few grand for a single product. Not much when you are selling thousands. I am sure Classified is even cheaper. I wonder how many of these cheap ass lamps say Classified.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Can't wait for them to be hit with their 0.1% fine.

As is tradition.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The issue isn’t the fine. Amazon is breaking numerous federal laws by not managing what is being shipped by 3rd party sellers. They are violating several FAA regulations on thousands of packages daily. At some point they will have to put a plan in place to vet these packages and that will be EXTREMELY costly. We will see a dramatic shift in how Amazon does business in the near future.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is it more costly than buying a senator or two? Cause I bet we’ll NOT see any major changes that could cost them real money.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

It doesn’t matter what senators they have, if the FAA/TSA revoke their license to ship using air services they will lose billions.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Are you sure about that though? Do you really think they will be held accountable?

I don't think they will be held accountable, they will be hit with a 0.1% fine, even if there are many deaths, and they will move on with their lives.

As is tradition.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

When I was a kid I thought that clearly understandable things (punishment is intended to prevent doing something again, that is, to clearly undo the benefit for the criminal ; best of all be worth twice that benefit ; if not, then those issuing punishment are clearly corrupt, and the punishment should be reconsidered, and they should be removed from power and investigated ; and so on through all the chain) not being met will be seen and violently protested, but later I learned what gaslighting is!

Say, legalism is gaslighting. As in "you should fight evil only by the law which is made by that evil, and you should only consider that law not a law when you've managed to remove it by the rules made by evil".

Any other thing which says "things are normal, no need to break stuff, everybody thinks it's normal, you should too" is gaslighting.

We are a whole civilization gaslighted by parasites into not crushing them.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Kind of reminds me of the Roman empire falling due to the fact that too many lead based products were made.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Deep breath

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Where is the list of products? It's gotta be online somewhere.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

i came in here to find out the same thing.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

See that is the real issue here. They did not recall them. They did not list them. They did not it seems stop selling them.

The suit seems to be about the fact they did not do what they where supposed to. This is the time when we get to see if our governments have any ability to govern anymore.

https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/pdfs/recall/lawsuits/abc/142%20-%20In%20the%20Matter%20of%20Amazon.com%20Inc.%20Decision%20and%20Order.pdf

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

That's insane. I have some old Amazon basics surge protectors... I guess I need to assume they are a risk.

I stopped buying this sort of thing a decade or so ago, but I don't see a date here...

I guess none of us should trust any of their products if they aren't going to tell us which ones are dangerous.

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