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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just to pose a thought; how practical would it be for a small subject owner to run a FediVerse instance intended to stay localized to their domain?

For example: Indie game owner makes a reasonably popular game, they set up a website that Lemmy users can subscribe/join directly, and use that for forums/tips/discussions related to their game. People don't need to register as long as they have an account somewhere. Some number of users would be new to Lemmy and use that site's registration for later discovery. And, someday when X instance (the game, or the next popular one) gets infested by neonazis, everyone just moves to another and/or has other discussions backed up.

I don't know how practical or convenient that is though. I imagine a lot of groups don't want to risk lost users.

[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I like your idea

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

At least the Fediverse exists.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the layout and formatting of forums just isn't as good as the way comments are sorted and how they can spawn side discussions like on Reddit or Lemmy.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the main difference just that forums are focused on longer discussions, and reddit/lemmy are focused on a constant stream of content?

I'd prefer forums for a lot of my interests, a well managed forum will contain long in depth discussion regarding important topics that the likes of lemmy/reddit/discord either don't, or if they do, good luck finding it. If however you just want to visit it in the morning and see something different than you saw yesterday, yeah for just raw speed of content, forums suck.

But is that really better?

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Maybe I'm too young or just had bad luck, but ALL the interactions I've ever had with Internet forums have been unbelievably awful. Whenever I asked a question, I was asked why I wanted to know that and was lectured that my reasons were stupid, bad, or wrong (how is that even possible?). People hijacked my post and talked about anything else, and I received NO answer whatsoever! This kind of thing happened way too often, regardless of the type of forum. This occurred in Skyrim forums, Coh2 forums, PC forums, aquarium forums, ... I hate forums. It's good that they are dying, and I, for one, will not miss them at all.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm kind of wondering what forums you visited.

What however is a recurrent issue with young people on forums is them asking questions that have already been answered a million times. On sites like reddit & discord, that's the norm, we need new content all the time, the 526th person asking just keeps the social media going.

On forums however the etiquette is that you do some effort yourself, and something that gets asked that often is either a sticky, or a long running thread with all the information you could possibly want (but you'll need to invest some of your own time to get the information from there). And if you then arrive on the forum, read nothing, and ask the same question... again... yeah... you won't be welcomed with open arms.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wish I would just have gotten a Link to a Post where the Answer to my Question is, but I just got this BS.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Without actual examples it's really hard to tell if the forum was just a toxic environment, or you were the newbie not reading the room. I've seen both happen.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Could be, but I found my place in the Fediverse and I'm happy here.

[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh a long running thread, my least favorite thing on the entire internet.

"Hey do you have an answer to my question"

Yeah bro, its in this 700 page forum thread. Here's a tent and some supplies, godspeed."

Fuck that.

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[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Haha yes, but this applied to reddit as well I'd say, maybe just not as much.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ugh... This was already mentioned before in another channel. Did you even read the rules? Modding you down and banned.

(These actions haven't been better, in fact they tend to be worse. I'll take PC forums over this ego tripping mod actions).

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

You do you, but apparently more people tend to dislike forums as time goes on.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd call Reddit and the Threadiverse and Usenet and such forums. They're just broad, with many different categories, or "meta-forums", as compared to a site with a dedicated-to-a-single-topic forum.

Some other drawbacks of having many independent forums:

  • You have to create and maintain a ton of accounts.

  • Different, incompatible markup syntax.

  • Often missing features (e.g. Markdown has tables; few forums let one create tables)

  • Some forum systems ordered comments by time rather than parent comment, which was awful to browse.

  • Often insane requirements to get an account. I can think of a few forums that were very difficult to get access to, either because the "new user" system was incompatible with some email system or just had other problems.

I mean, there are a lot of websites with "comment" sections, which is kind of a lightweight forum attached to a webpage, and they're almost invariably awful.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago

Don't agree with this, there's a huge difference between a forum and something like lemmy: how what you see is determined. On a forum as long as discussion is happening, a thread stays on top. On a more social media site like this, things only remain relevant a couple of days at most, while forum threads can go on for years. That makes sites like this more focused on short and shallow discussions, where forums imo allow for more in depth discussions.

[–] Nicoleism101@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Cmon reddit is worse than almost any forum. You have to really carefully choose your words and add a lot of word sugar for not anyone to jump at you and keep saying you are a worthless pos for even having some opinion with their throwaway trolling account or something.

Whereas on mature forums users know each other more closely and it wards off the most freaky behaviour and attack.

They won’t usually say stuff like you are a racist pos for idk getting a white phone the dumbest of things. Because they will just be ostracised out of the platform.

You kind of worry about your reputation. Don’t want ppl to see your avatar/nick and constantly write you off.

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[–] CptInsane0@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Something Awful Forums still exist, and I go there a lot more than I go here or Reddit these days.

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[–] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I like the idea of Reddit and it works much better than Lemmy. But the moderation and AI scraping make it a no-go site for me anymore which is a shame.

I love internet forums and have been a mod at some and very high poster at other. But the snowball effect gets them. If there's no traffic, there's no posts, so there's no traffic. You need to have a good community to make it work. One area reddit really shines, small communities exist on a huge platform. Great idea before the enshittification.

I hate discord and the fact that anyone replaces customer support or fan support pages with it, is just fundamentally broken. The idea of a forum is that the question is asked and archived. 20 years later someone else googles the question and sees the answer and all the replies that lead up to it. That's what forums are for. In discord you ask a question and 30 seconds later it's gone forever eaten by useless drivel. Never to be searched or found again. Idiotic.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Yep. A traditional forum ages and grows old. And as they get older and older, it becomes harder to draw new members because of the clique of the core membership. I've seen a few traditional forums die that death over the years.

And some forums, and I belong to several, the members are literally dying from old age. We are all mostly old and retired. And we lose members every year due to death. Several times a year there is an obituary post for some long time member.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I run an internet forum for a very specific topic. I have to manually register people, because before I did that, spammers would come in and crap all over everything. (Fortunately it's not a very popular topic, so I only have to register new accounts a few times each month.) I run the forum on my own dime, no advertising or anything, as a side hobby.

There's also a very active Facebook group. The Facebook group is great for general conversation, but often when a technical question comes up, please just link to the forum where the info is stored. Searching in Facebook is terrible, and what happens if Facebook decides to block access to history for some reason? (Not that they necessarily would, but I've seen it happen many times. Remember when Photobucket blocked access to old pictures unless you had a paid account? We lost a bunch of useful pictures on the forum when that happened.)

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