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The key problem is that copyright infringement by a private individual is regarded by the court as something so serious that it negates the right to privacy. It’s a sign of the twisted values that copyright has succeeded on imposing on many legal systems. It equates the mere copying of a digital file with serious crimes that merit a prison sentence, an evident absurdity.

This is a good example of how copyright’s continuing obsession with ownership and control of digital material is warping the entire legal system in the EU. What was supposed to be simply a fair way of rewarding creators has resulted in a monstrous system of routine government surveillance carried out on hundreds of millions of innocent people just in case they copy a digital file.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

What am I missing, here? If you do something illegal, they can try to find out who you are? So if the girl I am currently cyberstalking were to go to the police, they could work with my ISP to figure out who I am?

I'm going to move to a VPN pronto!

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess you subscribe to the theory that if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide? Better hope you have the right stste sanctioned religion when a right wing government takes over some day.

[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just to back you up:

https://mullvad.net/en/why-privacy-matters

“The most common argument used in defense of mass surveillance is ‘If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear’. Try saying that to women in the US states where abortion has suddenly become illegal. Say it to investigative journalists in authoritarian countries. Saying ‘I have nothing to hide’ means you stop caring about anyone fighting for their freedom. And one day, you might be one of them.”

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 0 points 5 months ago

Just tell the judge she may have violated your copyright and you can stalk her all you want.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

offtopic: Why would you cyberstalk a girl who doesn't already know who you are?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because you live in a persistent fantasy existence in order to cope with failing to achieve any developmental goals since high school.

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[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What am I missing, here?

Well, for starters, you seem to be missing anything resembling a coherent argument... 🤪

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago

And reading comprehension.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

is cyber'stalking' even illegal? there's something incredibly harmless about scrolling thru someone's instagram that showing up outside their house repeatedly doesn't seem to compare with

[–] stonerboner@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Stalking is always a crime, and has a specific legal definition. For the federal level in the US per 18 U.S.C. § 2261A:

The statute specifies that it is illegal to engage in conduct with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance with the intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, where such conduct:

Places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to: That person;

An immediate family member;

A spouse or intimate partner of that person; or

A pet, service animal, emotional support animal, or horse of that person; or

Causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to: That person;

An immediate family member;

A spouse or intimate partner of that person; or

A pet, service animal, emotional support animal, or horse of that person.

Scrolling through their social media is not stalking, unless you plan to harass or harm the person.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (13 children)

lmao copyright isn't important

if copyright were abolished worldwide today, we'd be in a happier place. people who buy things generally want to buy from the official source anyway, those official sources might even have to cut prices or (god forbid!) have to make their services better to compete in the market

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A take. Presented to you by an edgy teen.

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Lol yeah.

Good luck spending time and money investing in something that you know will have zero legal protection as 'yours' after you go to market.

I personally feel that a copyright does give confidence to product developers to actually develop products. If they felt they weren't going to get anything for their work they just wouldn't bother and our tech advancement would stall significantly.

[–] onion@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

You need money to defend your copyright in court, otherwise it's pretty meaningless

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"No copyright" is usually flaunted by people who haven't created single thing of value (monetary or otherwise). Who never give, but always first to take.

To no one's surpise it's now a go-to argument of "statistical engine enthusiasts".

[–] stonerboner@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Copyright sure was useful for all the artists who had their creations scraped from the “open web,” huh (I am in this bucket). It would literally bankrupt me to enforce it.

Copyright only serves the wealthy, and rarely if ever protects I normal individuals who are well enough off to afford legal remedy. This is due to the cost to enforce, which is beyond most creators and a drop in the bucket for the wealthy. It is intended to and has been updated consistently to do just that.

We need some kind of protection, but historically copyright ain’t it.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm all up for improvement or better system.

I'm against anarchy and copyright abolishment all toghether.

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[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

If copyright were abolished, all FOSS and Creative Commons licenses would be rendered null and void, since they depend on copyright law to work.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago
[–] srecko@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Aren't they a bandaid to a copyright problem (certain parts of it)? If the copyright is gone the root of the problem would be gone.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago

If by "null and void" you mean unnecessary.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Companies could take and steal as much as they want from smaller artists in that case

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

As will small artists to companies.

Shit even the value of art would be intristic to am individual, almost impossible to capitalise on, but totally viable for an individual working directly with people

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago

The whole point of them is to create a voluntary system without copyright.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (26 children)

I don't want to see a end to copyright. I want it restored to what it was. Where the creator had a copyright for limited amount of time then everyone had a copyright to the work.

Now that time is beyond the amount of time that someone inspired by a copyrighted work could create some derivative of it. Unless you think someone inspired as a child would feel like bringing that inspiration to fulfilment as an elderly adult is going to happen often.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Copyright was never about defending the creators, its origin is the industrial revolution and it was a tool of companies to protect "their" inventions (the ones of their workers actually). It was NEVER about defending the small person who actually creates things.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I disagree. It was put in place so the creators of works and inventions had exclusive rights to that work or invention for 14 years with one renewal for a total of 28 years. Then the copyright passed into the public domain. It was always about protecting the creators. The companies dominance of it came later. Just who came up with the laws and when do you think it was put in place? Just a hint look at the faces on US currency.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

cut prices

There you have your answer to the question you didn't ask, but you know what I mean

[–] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Do you want corps just stealing every new idea and product, cloning it, and muscling out the original inventor without paying them a dime? Because abolishing copyright entirely would be an excellent way to do that.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Someone has never seen Aliexpress..

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Property rights are the only thing that protects the poor from the rich. Sure.

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[–] ToyDork@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

No, I want to die. I fucking hate reality so much that I want KILL YOU ALL.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

That already happens. People who research normally do it under a wage and the invention goes to the company paying the wage. If not, a small inventor doesn't have the financial means and the lawyers to fight a big company copying their idea. The small person is never defended.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago

It doesn’t seem like the ruling says copyright concerns justify overriding a right to anonymity under GDPR, but that the right to anonymity doesn’t exist in the first place.

I think that’s probably a better place to be, because it means they can legislate a right to anonymity.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Top me court says this is not enforceable bar real totalitarian state. EDIT: Also fuck them children of crowd.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

They're working on it.

[–] Brickardo@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The EU and the digital world: sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit. In Spanish we say 'una de cal y otra de arena'.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Fuck there aint

[–] visikde@lemmings.world 0 points 5 months ago

Copyright imbues the creation with a level of uniqueness that is greatly exaggerated
Given a set of facts & tools people will come to similar or identical conclusions
So What?
Should that entitle you to be a gatekeeper forever?

Humans have an urge for legacy. Legacy is probably the most destructive of human traits, it manifest as hoarding a bunch of resources, having as many children as possible, being noticed, being "famous". The last two are having your legacy NOW

Legacy is self preservation exaggerated to extremes

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I really don't see how this doesn't conflict with GDPR.

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[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

This is so stupid since several thousand devices can use one IP address. NAT exists.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The background is that French law requires ISPs to retain the IPs of their customer for some time. That way, an IP address can be associated with a customer.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

A CEO is an employee. You generally can't sue employees for this sort of thing. It may be possible to sue the company as a whole for enabling the copyright infringement, but that's not to do with this case. Perhaps in the future, operators of WiFi-hotspots will be required to use something like Youtube's Content ID system.

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

They can use this to go after "pirates". It's got nothing to do with AI.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Starbucks can be pressured to require your personal information to connect to WiFi.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago

Starbucks in the US have asked me to create a login to use their WiFi already. I'm in the US. I guess half way there already.

[–] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

A good question… I suggest we all start torrenting new release movies and video games exclusively through Starbucks, because I want to know

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

You may bet your bollix on ("rest assured" in non-Dublin English) them having torrents blocked on their free WiFi.

[–] Maeve@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

MAC addresses serious have to be spoofed.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

This sounds like the kind of grassroots activity I might be interested in.

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