Also bodily autonomy. That kind of action, if accepted, could be used to impose incremental bans on anyone for any reason, so long as the majority is authoritarian enough to agree.

Like access to hormones for trans people. Or abortions. Or birth control. Or weed.

[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oooohhh the right to smoke and be unhealthy... yeah that's not a right.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it is.

[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, its not. You’re confusing having a right and having the freedom to do something. In one you have no constraint from the state to carry out an action, in the other you are entitled to something by society. Different things.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's one of the facets of rights, is the freedom to do things. Rights aren't only freedom from things.

And you might not like smoking, but other people are going to make choices and live their lives in ways you don't agree with, even that you abhor, and rights means you have to put up with that for the betterment of all.

So people, young people, are going to smoke, and you're going to put up with it.

[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you're not quite clear on what a right is - its generally something that that's enshrined in constitutional law like for example in a human rights act, or for some advanced democracies even the right to privacy is included in a bill of rights. The 'right to smoke and be unhealthy' is not a right at all, its a freedom that you may have.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, rights are natural qualities, principles or states of being we are born with. They're either endowed by you by the creator of your choice or they exist through natural laws. They almost always can be derived from natural law and/or natural observation.

No human being dictates what rights another has, period. That means no, you don't get to tell people they don't have the right to smoke.

Grow the fuck up and accept that other people smoke and stop obsessing over things you can't control.

[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I see now, you believe rights are given to you by some imaginary bearded guy in the sky! Lmao

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in the natural law camp of people that understand the concept of natural rights, but good on you for making it obvious you have no real respect for rights.

[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

lol yeah I respect inexistent 'god given rights' the same amount as I respect the rights bestowed upon me by the school of Hogwarts.

Good try passing off your personal religious beliefs as universal truths though.

[–] RegularJoeJoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh but it is. It is your autonomous right to duck yourself up. It's not healthy or smart and your peers will push back at your decision. , but it is your right! Fuck this authoritarian "we will decide what you can and cannot do"

[–] Corporate_Hippie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Oh but it just isn't. Tobacco is a controlled substance in pretty much every country in the world. Now you may disagree as to where this government is being too restrictive and that's fine, but it doesn't mean you have any inherent rights to consume tobacco. The same way you don't have a right to consume heroine or meth.

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