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[–] neutronbumblebee@mander.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

And Plato would have gotten away with it too, if not for those meddling kids and their cladistics. Essentialism has been hugely damaging and is the foundation of most types of Creationism. https://newdiscourses.com/2021/02/essentialism-logical-fallacy-plaguing-us-since-plato/

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 5 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

So, I gave this a cursory read.

The discussion of essentialism mostly makes sense, if a few weird red flags scattered throughout. But I was curious at what point it would be turned into, as promised in the intro, that essentialism is a fundamental flaw of "wokeism", and apparently specifically Critical Race Theory.

And uh. That connection was poorly made, in my humble opinion. It's a lot of philosophical history and bluster to then just sort of... miss the point and mischaracterize the quotes being put on the table.

My apologies, I would be more specific and pointed in my critique here, but I'm on mobile and I usually need a better setup (e.g. on PC) to lay out these thoughts with more precision.

[–] neutronbumblebee@mander.xyz 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah that what happens when you Google an article which explanes some historical connection to Plato etc but it then uses that to make a completely unrelated point ie woke is bad. I should have read the whole thing before linking it. Looking at the other articles on the site it is indeed mostly right wing propaganda. A better point is Dawnkin's post about Platonic forms here https://www.edge.org/response-detail/25366 in response to the question what scientific idea should be retired in 2014? He points out essentialism is a problem for accepting evolution, and for so many other things.

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 1 points 19 hours ago

Oof. Yeah they'll get ya like that. I'm certainly not immune.

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