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How much do you blame the people who voted for Trump or other fascists? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago by Mr_Fish@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven't been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.

The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don't know if I'd be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don't believe I could reliably spot fascism, I'm not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.

This isn't a discussion of "just be a good person". I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they're doing the right thing.

This whole idea of "I can't say is reliably avoid fascism" is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (61 children)

I want you to explain for me how voting for Trump is - somehow, according to you - not voting for literal genocide.

In point of fact: Trump just removed the (admittedly woefully insufficient) weapon restrictions that were previously being applied to Israel

[+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -17 points 2 weeks ago (59 children)

So far, Trump has already done more to reign in the carnage in Gaza than the Democrats did, BlueMaga types like you only don't realize that because you were aggressively denying the extent of the genocide under Biden.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

His cabinet is full of zionists. There is not a big difference between Biden, trump and Harris. Both parties will always try to outcompete each other in supporting Israel

Elise Stefanik, Donald Trump's nominee for U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, stated during her January 2025 Senate confirmation hearing that Israel has a "biblical right" to the occupied West Bank.

Steve Witkoff, Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy, suggested relocating some Palestinians from Gaza to Indonesia aka ethenically cleasing them

Trump also cancelled the performative action of genocide joe of halding 2000 ton of bomb to the idf

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not saying Trump doesn't support Israel and the genocidal Zionist agenda in general, but I also don't believe he's as personally passionate about it as the people like Blinken and Biden are. Like, he will continue supporting Israel in the way that the USA always does, but he was willing to tell them to knock it off when the sheer horrific brutality of what they were doing was becoming a millstone around the neck of the USA agenda, which the last year of genocide absolutely was. I'm saying he's as bad as someone like Reagan on Palestine, which is still bad, but the Biden administration was the worst of the worst.

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