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Just opening discussion, haha!

I mean if non-proton conversation isn't allowed, I'm just comparing, haha lol!

Okay seriously though.

The three services I'm exploring are:

  • Email (with email aliases)
  • VPN
  • Cloud Storage
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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

I think that, if we want something fash-resistant we probably need something by a worker co-op where the whole org has to be fash to be a problem. I'm not aware of such services. A non-profit like Proton is next on the list. I'm not aware of another non-profit email provider. Tuta seems interesting but they're for-profit.

Also any of those should be based somewhere in Europe since the US regulatory regime is weak and about to get weaker. Email isn't end-to-end encrypted so its privacy depends on the regulatory regime of the provider.

[–] PassingThrough@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly, it is my expectancy that if the US goes down that worst possible outcome, and they start passing laws that make you worry about your communications, then the “US Cyber Defense Platform(Great Firewall)” will also be quick to pass, argued to protect the children from porn, rights holders from piracy, and of course will quickly expand to any service that doesn’t agree to an encryption back door so they can look for “terrorists”.

In that case, Proton and any non-surveillance allied service is out. Email as we know it is pretty unsafe, and if you want to use email privately you will have to learn to provide your own encryption via PGP and the like, most likely through your own server even, and you will stress to ensure proper configuration.

Or get to another method(like Matrix configured for E2E) before they get pulled from your App Store for not complying with the Patriot Act 2.0, and be ready to learn the safest way to sideload updates, and how to dodge around the Bigly Firewall to connect with international users.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly, if it went that far, They could just outlaw encryption altogether. Require all SSL to include their back door and they DPI everything on the way through. If anything doesn't work on the DPI, they log it and drop it. We'll end up having AI write us novels where you can take predetermined word order to create encoded messages

[–] PassingThrough@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it went that far, we’d be back to offline communication and small communities, because the AI would be programmed to tattle on us. :)

It’s a fascinating question actually how far technology could be used against us, and how long the “underground” could continue to use it before we’d have to continuously invent something completely new just to communicate, until we just loop back around to word of mouth or smuggled paper missives. A lot of people think that the cat is out of the bag on mass communication, that we can never be silenced again but I’m never quite so sure…

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I don't know, I'm kind of excited about moving back to code talking and pulling select passages out of books.

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