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[โ€“] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 210 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (44 children)

Lol. Even among those less stupid, most didn't hire junior developers for the last three years, to hedge their bets.

Well, it's three years later, AI didn't solve shit, and we are facing an entire missing cohort of senior developers.

We've seen this before - back when web frameworks "made all of us obsolete" back in 2003.-

Here's what comes next:

Everyone who needs a senior developer gets to start bidding up the prices of the missing senior developers. Since there simply aren't enough to go around, the "find out" phase will be punctuated.

Losing bidders get to pay 4x rates for 1/3 the output from consulting companies.

Cheers!

Source: I was made obsolete by web frameworks so hard that I entered a delusion where working with web frameworks just let us produce bigger buggier websites even faster - and where the demand for web developers skyrocketed and I made some seriously respectable money while helping train up junior developers to help address the severe shortage.

[โ€“] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 70 points 1 month ago (27 children)

Wait, people really thought web frameworks would replace Devs? Which frameworks? ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago (9 children)

It's very common. Every few years there is some no-code platform claiming no developers are needed anymore in any sector, not just web dev. Invariably these only work if you stay on the narrow path and of course the customer asks something outside of the easy path after the first demo so a lot of work by devs are needed to make of happen.

AI is just one more like that, but with hype on steroids.

[โ€“] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And very old. Part of the sales pitch for the COmmon Business-Protected Language was that anyone could learn to code in almost plain English.

Also, the stuff they wind up making is the kind of stuff that people with no coding experience make. Cooking up an ugly website with terrible performance and security isn't much harder than making an ugly presentation with lots of WordArt. But it never was, either.

Between COBOL and LLM-enhanced "low code" we had other stuff, like that infamous product from MS that produced terrible HTML. At this point I can't even recall what it was called. The SharePoint editor maybe?

[โ€“] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

Even SQL was originally called SEQUEL, Structured English QUEry Language. They got sued for the name and changed it to SQL. It was also pitched to retrieve data with plain language.

[โ€“] brisk@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago

Microsoft Frontpage?

[โ€“] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 1 month ago

the kind of stuff that people with no coding experience make

The first complete program I ever wrote was in Basic. It took an input number and rounded it to the 10s or 100s digit. I had learned just enough to get it running. It was using strings and a bunch of if statements, so it didn't work for more than 3 digit numbers. I didn't learn about modulo operations until later.

In all honesty, I'm still pretty proud of it, I was in 4th or 5th grade after all ๐Ÿ˜‚. I've now been programming for 20+ years.

[โ€“] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even natural-language languages like Inform 7 require a little programming knowledge for when it hates you.

[โ€“] Wiz@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey, about out to an interactive fiction dude/dudette!

I programmed in TADS many years ago, but I want to learn and use inform, because I want a Z-code game like my timeless heroes at Infocom.

I'm not really into writing interactive fiction; I just tried it a little since it seemed neat. It turns out that I'm not great at coming up with things to write about, which makes it hard to actually write. Inform 7 makes some decisions that complicate using it with a programming background; I'm considering trying to write my own language for similar purposes (but different paradigms).

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