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[–] crazyminner@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] Echo71Niner@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Only when If I get expensive gifts.

[–] coldv@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember I actually stopped believing in God at the same time I realised Santa wasn't real.

[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I read satan and got so confused by the replies

[–] AppaYipYip@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, becuse in my family, all the older family members make him real for the younger kids. We actively work together to make Christmas a magical time by telling stories and staying up late to put out presents. I know that Santa is not a real person but I believe I can keep his "spirit alive" by giving heartfelt presents and spending quality time with my family.

I personally am atheist but I will admit that many religions have good teachings. I don't believe in the gods from those religions but I can follow the guidelines to living a good life.

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, and yes to the OP. It's very similar.

An older family member once asked my siblings and me, as older teenagers, whether we believed in Santa. We scoffed, laughed, and incredulously said of course not.

She responded that she believed in Santa, and she gave this explanation: Santa is a cultural shorthand for generosity. Do you believe in the spirit of giving? Do you want to see smiles on children's faces on Christmas morning? Do you want to make the people you love light up because you had special, almost supernatural, insight into their heart's desire and made it real?

I don't believe a magical man in a red suit gives presents and coal to kids. I similarly don't believe in a white bearded cloudy Jewish giant in the sky.

But I believe that there's something sublime and immaterial in the love we can have for one another, something only partially explained by ecologic survival pressures and biochemistry. I think there is something out there beyond what we can perceive on a daily basis, and for lack of a better lexicon, "spiritual" is as good a term as anyone for the realm of the imperceptible.

So I think there's a God, and I think there's a Santa. I don't understand either, and I think they're neither anything quite like we expect. And God the Creator is certainly an asshole sometimes. But I think there's Someone out there.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's kinda just equivocation though.

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

Yes, but only if you define Santa Claus as something entirely different than what you intended when you asked the question.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well that’s the issue always when talking about metaphysical beliefs.

There’s the child that beliefs in literal Santa going down the chimney. And there’s the adult that stopped believing in child stories and sees a rich and valuable culture around those stories anyway.

It’s not equivocal, but grown up in an embracing way.

There’s also the grown up in a rejecting way who is never satisfied with either variant, although for some this is just an intermezzo towards the embracing way.

[–] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She responded that she believed in Santa, and she gave this explanation: Santa is a cultural shorthand for generosity. Do you believe in the spirit of giving? Do you want to see smiles on children’s faces on Christmas morning? Do you want to make the people you love light up because you had special, almost supernatural, insight into their heart’s desire and made it real?

Santa is a cultural shorthand for consumerism. Going by your reasoning, god is a cultural shorthand for rationalizing one's own wrongdoing, lack of innate morality and misunderstanding of the world.

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not what I was talking about. Fortunately you can believe whatever you want.