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Joining the "not op" train since I have a different answer than the others: I was peak annoying/edgy "debate bro" atheist and I ultimately became religious again but for a different religion.

Can elaborate if you want, I just don't want to risk going on an unprovoked tangent lol.

Is /s for "sarcasm" or for "succinctly explained the imperial cores thought process"?

Hawaii has been calling for tourists not to come because it's an exploitative industry iirc.

TIL: that a religious belief dating back hundreds/thousands of years (that humans consented to take the "test of life") is really just Russian propaganda from 2014.

Counter point: you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them".

Anti-natalism is just disguised facsist eugenics, in the same vein as eco-facsism.

Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you've done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?

1. Yes. Trump's incompetence is much more likely to lead to failure.

2. No. While you still draw breath and the genocide is ongoing, you can never say you've done enough.

3. Where did I say this was my only action? I specifically called it my "most basic" action, indicating I view it as one of the easiest/least impactful.

Did I remove any relevant context?

Yes, and I provided the context directly under where I accused you of removing it. I was speaking of the "white male" group you singled out in relation to other groups. You made it seem as if I was singling you personally out in relation to other groups.

This is the last I'll say on it, since we both agree that the sex, gender and ethnicity of the other is irrelevant.

Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you'll find something interesting.

I've thought about it and have determined that white males do not face unique forms of discrimination due to them being white males, simply the same capitalist oppressions which used to be reserved for others. So to single them out as a unique group that is discriminated against is not based in reality.

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression "

I'm unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.

Someone who's desire for engaging in and "winning" internet debates is libidinal.

Erm... So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims?

No, suggesting that their vote was lost due to the democratic party "denying their humanity, feelings and fears" implies they are victims of having those things stripped away.

Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.

So we have a core disagreement here (though I don't see the relevance).

Respect is freely given but can be lost. How do you respect Nazis? Baby Hitler did nothing wrong sure, adult Hitler is a different story. We didn't beat Hitler by hearing him out and defeating him in the marketplace of ideas. We pushed the Nazis in and he ate a bullet.

My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn't imply i consider them victims. I don't.)

Another core disagreement.

1. these things were conveyed to white males. Far more than any other group. I'm expected to vote democratic party despite a genocide of my brothers and sisters in faith...Dems literally adopted Trump's white nativist policies to try and appeal to white males and {1}you're justifying their lack of support while combatting mine...

2. being stripped of your "humanity, feelings and fears" and having to face a total lack of empathy in the system, would be victimization. It's just not something they face.

Edit: {1}

If Trump is such a threat to the American people, maybe American liberals should oppose him and do their own Jan 6. Will I see you there? Or is that too risky for you and you'd rather yell at people for not expressing support for the Democrats genocide?

Genocide isn't a political football to be tossed around. It's the most disgusting and atrocious thing someone can do.

If you aren't even willing to risk yourself to truly oppose him, why are you worth more than all Palestinians combined?

How's that been working for you?

The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn't listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I've been vindicated in my demands they stop.

I believe you did. You referred to me "doing it to them (other people)". I'm other people.

Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?...going so far as to remove context to try and make specific phrasing seem pointed?

What you call "denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males" is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you're literally doing it to them in the comment I'm replying )

You placed "white males" as a standalone group in your comment.

I stated that white males are not seperate from other groupings of people and by separating them into their own group and dismissing the struggles of other groups you are "denying the humanity, feelings, and fears" of all those other groups.

You don't have to be a white male to do this... obviously...

Did I? I didn't, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications...

Oh, you just are a debate bro...hhhfff

I didn't, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications

You don't need to.

I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.

So this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.

You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though.

What? So you don't believe in the white male victimhood narrative and weren't pushing it...but my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims...this doesn't make any logical sense.

Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?

No. Hence why I opposed your attempt to "sarcastically" rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.

Edit: BTW...did you assume I'm not a white male?...

No, you did, and you're mad that your genocidal candidate lost so you're lashing out.

If you gave my vote to Kamala she still loses the electoral college by 70+ and the popular vote by 5million.

Maybe do some self reflection and growth instead of lashing out at people for daring to oppose genocide.

I mean... Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?

Yes. The most basic thing I've done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I've done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn't change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.

Also, did you assume I'm a white male? I'm not.

Did I? You pushed the white male victimhood narrative and I expressed why thats wrong, that doesn't change based on your race/sex.

So your pro-genocide messaging/strategy failed and that's somehow my fault?

Did you talk to your representatives/party phone bankers and tell them that their parties support for Genocide will cost them the election? I did.

Did you go to protests to make it known that genocide is a deal breaker for you and masses of others? I did.

It's not my fault that democrats are genocidal right wingers who lost an election to other genocidal right wingers. I did my best to convince the Democrats, they didn't do anything to convince me.