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It's a nightmare scenario for Microsoft. The headlining feature of its new Copilot+ PC initiative, which is supposed to drive millions of PC sales over the next couple of years, is under significant fire for being what many say is a major breach of privacy and security on Windows. That feature in question is Windows Recall, a new AI tool designed to remember everything you do on Windows. The feature that we never asked and never wanted it.

Microsoft, has done a lot to degrade the Windows user experience over the last few years. Everything from obtrusive advertisements to full-screen popups, ignoring app defaults, forcing a Microsoft Account, and more have eroded the trust relationship between Windows users and Microsoft.

It's no surprise that users are already assuming that Microsoft will eventually end up collecting that data and using it to shape advertisements for you. That really would be a huge invasion of privacy, and people fully expect Microsoft to do it, and it's those bad Windows practices that have led people to this conclusion.

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[–] NoiseColor@startrek.website 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Lol! How incredibly detached from reality!

Nobody cares! Well a few people care that make a big fuss, but most people don't ever think about their os. I bet a pretty big percentage don't know what os they use and I bet more than half don't know what version of the os they are using.

Nobody cares!

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

They don't care, but their nephew that has to fix the PC is it acts up cares, and when the nephew says he's not touching that thing with a 10 foot pole they'll consider that for their next purchase.

And if in the news there is an article that thanks to copilot they could identify the culprit in a crime, they'll look at any Windows version and their stroking material in a map on that drive a little different.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

TIL: There are still people that trust Microsoft.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don't think this will bury MS because they can easily market this to enterprise clients ( if they haven't already ). Recall is a particularly useful tool for any employer that wants to keep track of everything employees do, especially in an age of WFH. They probably fogired they can take the PR hit from users concerned about privacy and move on unaffected.

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's also important to remember that Microsoft has no monetary incentive to force people to use Windows Recall.

With that in mind, there would be no reason for Microsoft to automatically enable Windows Recall in an update down the line. If it does happen, the user will be able to instantly tell thanks to that that visual indicator and turn it off again.

This article is nothing but propaganda. There is huge monetary incentive to force people to use Windows Recall and collect their data, and Microsoft routinely uses Windows Update to enable data collection. They began that practice years ago on Windows 7. It's a ridiculously simple matter for MS to disable the visual indicator and force This Week's Plan on their users to monetize their data.

Windows Central pretends to be critical of plans to enable a feature that can be made into malware by Microsoft in a couple of minutes, but then back peddles and says it can't be done (utter BS) and if it could be, it wouldn't be that bad.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even if the database remains local only forever, which I don't believe for a second, the computer will eventually make hyperspecific requests for ads based on the spying.

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[–] neo@lemy.lol 0 points 5 months ago

Aside from the security nightmare, I'm really curious what havoc the LLM can cause by hallucinating stuff, based on how suggestive a question is asked.

Wife on husband's account: "What dating sides did I visit this year?"
"Here are the 5 most popular dating sides you visited last year:..."

"When was the last time employee X watched porn and on what side?"
...

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Where are at point no where new features added to something (phone, OS, website, etc) are only to further monetize the user while providing a minimal benefit.

People are losing trust with technology providers.

If this technology existed back in Windows 95 days people, would have gone wild for it.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of people here seem to be missing the nuance.

Sure, it’s problematic for their consumer market share, but you’re right that that’ll probably be forgotten by the mostly tech-illiterate populace over time. But that’s not the problem.

Step 0 of MS’s plan for this should have been “make sure there is an absolutely bulletproof and ironclad way to disable that stuff completely for enterprise customers”. And they didn’t do that. So now, enterprise IT writ large is going to… you know… just not buy any of these devices. Which is absolutely their right.

But the really frustrating bit is that MS may have significantly harmed the rollout of ARM-based laptops (as well as x86 chips with beefy NN-optimized tiles) with this, and additionally done real, massive harm to Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm by doing so. All three of those manufacturers have gone to ENORMOUS lengths to roll this tech out, largely at MS’s behest. They’re all going to take this on the chin if the rollout goes poorly. And the rollout is already going poorly.

But MS thought they could Apple-handwave away the details. And they can’t, because a lot of people who understand the absurd security implications of continuous capture and OCR and plaintext storage of the OCR output. It’s not something you can handwave away. It’s entirely a non-starter in the context of maintaining organizational security (as well as personal data security, but we’ve already talked about why that’s a bit of a moot point with the general public). But enterprise IT largely does try to take their job seriously, and they are collectively calling MS’s bluff.

The problem for the long term is that MS has pretty much proven to the IT industry with this stunt that they can’t be trusted to make software that conforms to their needs. That’s a stain that isn’t going to go away any time soon. It might even be the spark that finally triggers enterprise to move away from MS as a primary client OS. After all, Linux is WAY easier to manage from a security perspective.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

For anyone for whom Micro$oft’s reputation wasn’t already cartoonish villainy, sure.

For those of us from the olde worlde, who marveled at dancing monkey boy on a grainy quicktime file, it’s absolutely par for the course. They can shutter everything but cloud tomorrow and still rake in 100 Billion a year for the foreseeable future. It was a monopoly thirty years ago (convicted 20 years ago) that has eaten and shat whatever and wherever it wanted for decades.

The judiciary and congress don’t understand shit, and if they did m$ bought them. Done.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Why is Lemmy showing me news from the 00's?

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

Seen gamers install things worse then Recall. So to them they won't care. Unless it hurts their latency or fps.

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