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[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's so strange that people confuse you with a Kremlin bot when you repeatedly spew the same fucking bullshit talking points as the bots themselves.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, you can call yourself a leftist all you want, but when 90% of your posts is calling Biden and Zelensky Nazis but you never criticize Putin or Trump, I get certain doubts.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trump isn't in power, no one is defending Putin, the US set the stage for the invasion and knew exactly how it would play out. Trying to claim they are defending their right to sovereignty, which is bullshit.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no one is defending Putin, the US set the stage for the invasion

That has to be the shortest contradiction.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its not a contradiction, several politicians, Biden included, spoke of what would happen if the US threatened NATO expansion into Ukraine. Obama, McCain, Kerry, Nuland, and now Biden set the stage for Ukraine to get invaded. Claiming it was to protect democracy which is bullshit. If the US cared about democracy and sovereignty they wouldn't have orchestrated a coup with the Pakistanian PM.

This war is 100% about decimating Ukraine so capitalists can go in and divide the spoils.

[–] Ya_Boy_Skinny_Penis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure buddy. NATO was responsible for countries wanting to join NATO to forestall Russian invasions.

NATO was also responsible for all of Russia's other post-USSR invasions, I bet.

Life must be interesting when you don't understand history or politics.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, you'd know lol, with an unbiased source like theconservative.com lol. The people who are defending Russia. And you're just eating it up.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I'm betting you made a judgment based on what you thought the website was. The website was theCONVERSATION.com. But go ahead and stick to your echo chamber and stay ignorant

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Posting about Trump or Putin being bad would be akin to making posts about ISIS being bad: it goes without saying.

Like 99% of people on this platform already agrees with you, it's really not a contentious issue. There's no significant MAGA or Russian nationalist instance federated. None of their supporters would see it, it would be a completely moot point.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

While it should go as without saying I think it's pretty hard to take it that way when the following statements get made a) The legitimate Ukraine government was overthrown in a NATO croup, b) Ukraine government is a neo-nazi government, c) DPR and LPR are legitimate countries and d) NATO started the war in Ukraine. Every single one of those is a Russian state propagated talking point, all of them made around nuggets of facts (like the leaked chat where some US officials were discussing who should or shouldn't be in the new government) but ultimately warped into something that can't definitely be proven true or false. Thus whoever spreads those talking points wants to believe those statements as true, which begs the question of why to believe they're true.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think I could ever make you believe that we came to these conclusions based on an analysis of world history, economics, and the current geopolitical reality and didn't need any help from Yuri at the FSB.

You literally don't understand how we analyze geopolitics.

“The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening.”

rosa-shining

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course you can't, because there's nothing you can provide except your belief that it is the way you want to believe.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Feel free to provide proof.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh how I wish that was true. Unfortunately I've seen far too many people support Russia in this war, both offline and online, including here.

Maybe I'm wrong about hexbear, I certainly hope that I am, but on lemmygrad I saw long posts with many upvotes explaining how this war is a good thing and Putin is a hero that is fighting against the capitalists etc.

Edit: and now lemmygrad had Hunter's laptop on the front page. Could they be any more obvious?

Edit2: lol, you almost had me believing that I was wrong and just too paranoid. Then in this very thread I got two people from hexbear telling me how NATO and Ukraine are evil, heavily upvoted. Still nothing bad about either Trump or Putin. Thanks.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We had a user who would uncritically support Russia and Operation Z. A "Z poster", if you will. They were banned on several accounts and no one really missed them.

Some of us tepidly support the CPRF, which is largely controlled opposition. We recognize that counting since 2014, there's a lot of propaganda, civilian strikes, and land mines coming from both sides. Most of us favor an immediate armistice along the present LOC that follows pretty closely a "dividing line" for the plurality ethnicity as evidenced by the past 30 years of linguistic, electoral, and poling data. And we favor quick peace as opposed to continued hostility that likely will go nowhere.

It sucks that Ukraine's self-determination is being jeopardized by Russia. It sucks that Luhansk's self-determination is being jeopardized by Ukraine. It sucks that there's a geopolitical standoff between the two strongest military powers that overlays this. It sucks that the only imaginable ruling party in Russia is a reactionary capitalist one that was ushered in by Clinton's intervention. And it sucks that they're all probably just going to die in a field to resolve it, and make the situation in Bosnia look like a vacation resort in comparison.

There is a silver lining in that we are seeing a great power struggle to subjugate its neighbor, and also in that the wearing down of NATO and Russia allows the less belligerent, more progressive, emerging superpower to have more sway in the world. Some might say that makes it "worth it" but I certainly don't.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most of us favor an immediate armistice along the present LOC

This is uncritically supporting the Z operation. It rewards the attacker and gives them absolutely no reason to not try again in 10 years (either in the same country or in another one). It's also what happened in 2014 and you see the results of that now.

Would you favor an immediate armistice with the Nazis in 1943? I surely hope not, but that would be a quick peace, very much like what the advocate for now.

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you know the meaning of the word uncritical but go off.

Also, just so we're on the same page, what do you believe happened in 2014 and what has happened since then until Feb 2022? What political and demographic conditions do you believe set the stage for the conflict that has been going on since then?

Your comparison to WW2 in 1943 is also wildly off. For one, you've got it mixed up which side is wearing the Nazi insignia and celebrating Nazi collaborators and enthusiastic participants in the Holocaust. For another, the USSR turned the war around in 1943. It would make no sense to call for armistice when you're winning. Ukraine is currently stalled and bleeding manpower and materiel. The counteroffensive is all but done, were it not for Western insistence that fighting continues to the last Ukrainian.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

For one, you've got it mixed up which side is wearing the Nazi insignia and celebrating Nazi collaborators and enthusiastic participants in the Holocaust.

I don't know, which side are Wagner and Rogozin on?

For another, the USSR turned the war around in 1943. It would make no sense to call for armistice when you're winning. Ukraine is currently stalled and bleeding manpower and materiel. The counteroffensive is all but done, were it not for Western insistence that fighting continues to the last Ukrainian.

USSR was just as stalled in early 1943, bleeding manpower and materiel, getting massive war supplies from the USA, and the West was insisting that fighting continues to the last Russian. Sounds familiar?

[–] ivereadalltheory@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tankies when you don't want your country to fall into fascism.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just vote for the lesser of two fascisms

[–] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Now we just have to figure out which one that is

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I forgot how ignorant and self-righteous Reddit liberals were. The ones I've seen are easily the loudest and dumbest people on this network of federated instances. They have their "conviction" and "is wrong" sliders completely maxed out.

[–] Dinodicchellathicc@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I swear to god I'll buy sync premium if they give the ability to sort by controversial. This is the stupidest more redditesque thread I've run into and i don't want to miss anymore.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Stop for the slop god lets-fucking-go

[–] AnomalousBit@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Your post is literally “DuMb LIbrhULS” with bonus noise. Self-projecting much?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There's no practical difference, just window dressing. They both cheer on oppression and pain for those suffering under Republicans.

And don't even get me started on communists. Left and right authoritarians, I've gotten death threats from both of them. Whether it's some leftist telling me I would "get the wall" when the Revolution comes or some fucking Republican telling me that the US was only for Christians and that they'll go after "traitors" soon, you get to the same fucking place at the end of the day. The only real difference is that there's far more Republicans, and they're far more organized than left authoritarians.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bOtH sIdEs

This is why libs get clowned on so hard. You claim to support "the only viable left leaning political party", and yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values. Remember, segregation wasn't ended because black people voted, blood was spilt in the streets. Same with the LGBT community, see the stonewall uprising, aka, the first pride parade.

I don't care how you vote, but if you can't see the difference between an anarchist engaging in direct action against an oppressive state and fascists doing hate crimes; well, I'd say it's time to get off your high horse and do a little introspection.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values

Direct action is meaningless if you're hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power. It doesn't matter how many lit memes anarchists and communists share on social media and how much they horn on about "direct action," this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

You want me to do some introspection? I did. I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Direct action is meaningless if you're hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power.

Spoken like someone who's never done organizing, participated in protests or any other direct action. You're a keyboard warrior who's probably never even interacted with a socialist IRL.

this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

Not a democracy and also I already gave 2 examples showing the contrary.

I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

No need to be a condescending dick. I'm also guessing I'm older than you, not that it's relevant.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

No need to be a condescending dick.

If you don't want someone to take offense at what you write, don't smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

Right... I'm not sure why you think I'm not in favor of organized resistance.

If you don't want someone to take offense at what you write, don't smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

You were doing a "both sides" between anarchists and fascists, eerily similar to Trump, while claiming to be "left leaning". I think my response was warranted, if not understated. But frankly, that's plain ignorant.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like I said, attempting to degrade the only left leaning political coalition means someone is hostile to any sort of positive left leaning activism. If that doesn't describe a given anarchist, then what I said doesn't apply to them. If it does, then they might as well be a Trumpster.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 0 points 1 year ago

Who or what is this sole "left leaning political coalition"? If you're referring to Democrats they are neither left leaning nor a coalition. They are a center-right political party. Coalition implies multiple parties. And the Democratic party isn't exactly known for activism, unless you're counting fundraising events.

[–] Sleazy_Albanese@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even im weirded out by how thoroughly the left was suppressed on reddit and other platforms. People on reddit only saw themselves mirrored and thought they were the only ones who existed.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Bad is the enemy of good, and right-wingers are bad.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're so vain

You don't think that this post is about you, do you?

[–] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The CCP, the RNC, and the DNC are not your friends.

Vote your conscience. Always remember to see who's funding who, who will gain, and who will lose. There are better choices than others, even when confronted by only bad choices.